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Re: [TowerTalk] Pseudo-Brewster Angle

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pseudo-Brewster Angle
From: N5KM - Kris <n5kilomike@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:06:02 -0600
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Well, Patrick, it appears you have the perfect testbed to try out
various radial system
theories but, like I said, it's strictly a mental exercise.

Kris N5KM

PS: I, too, worked in the laser lab in college, but as a lab assistant during
my graduate year.


> Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net> wrote:

Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 10:05:22 -0600
From: Patrick Greenlee <patrick_g@windstream.net>
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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Pseudo-Brewster Angle
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Kris, I have 160 acres (1/2 mile by 1/2 mile square) Would you like to
give it a try?
One caveat... what you do would have to be cow proof as my black Angus
have eaten the cabling from a WX station (twice) and pulled the coax
down from a Sat TV dish and chewed it up.

Gee, I hadn't heard the term Brewster's angle in decades, not since I
was an undergrad physics student building tunable liquid dye LASERs as a
special project for credit.

Patrick        NJ5G

On 3/2/2016 9:50 AM, Mike & Becca Krzystyniak wrote:
> What about shorting together the circumference in a ring?
> How does that affect the angle?
>
> MK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of N5KM
> - Kris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 12:07 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] Pseudo-Brewster Angle
>
> Reading the thread about an effective radial system got me thinking about
> the pseudo-Brewster angle of a 1/4 wl vertical antenna. As strictly a mental
> exercise, I calculated how much radial wire would be needed for an 80m
> vertical Fresnel zone that results in a low (1-2 degree) pseudo-Brewster
> angle. Assuming 120 radials of 5 wavelengths each that comes to 30 miles of
> wire on a parcel of at least 122 acres.
>
> The tips of the radial will be 68 feet apart. This raises the question is
> this too far apart to affect the pseudo-Brewster angle? Devoldere says yes
> (Low-Band DXing, 3rd ed.). He says they need to be no more than .05 wl (13
> feet) apart.
> The return
> currents will be nearly entirely collected by the close-in parts of the
> radials. So that's not an issue. John doesn't show the math or other
> analysis that leads to the
> .05 wl figure so I'm not entirely convinced it's needed. However, if true,
> that would require an additional 60 miles of wire.
>
> Kris N5KM
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