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Re: [TowerTalk] Cubex Mantis II

To: Daniel Hileman <n9wx@hotmail.com>, TOWER TALK <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Cubex Mantis II
From: Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:02:55 -0500
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Hi Dan,

I don't have any experience with the Cubex 40m cubical quads but I still have (stored away) a 4 element 10m-20m of theirs that I used for many years. I'm a long time quad fan, starting with a 2 element Gotham with bamboo arms, then a 2 element Skylane with fiberglass arms, then finally the 4 el. Cubex.

The weakest point in the Cubex design is the wire elements where they are formed into corners. They are comprised of tinned #14 cu and pass through drilled holes in the fiberglass arms. Over time, due to wind oscillations the fiberglass will slowly abrade the wire causing failure. It does take some time, though. My fix for this problem was to purchase a black air shock, airline kit. I have the fiberglass arms stack on brackets on my wooden fence and the short lengths of air line passing through the arms has shown little deterioration from the years in the sun.

I cut the air line into lengths long enough to pass through (and then some) each of the fiberglass arms (longer at the fat ends and shorter at the small ends) with the wire elements passing through them. If I remember correctly, as the fiberglass arms are shipped, the drilled holes are just large enough to pass the supplied #14 but not the air line so I re-drilled all of the element holes with an 1/8th in. drill bit. From that point on, I never realized another broken element again.

There are a lot of written words out there by a lot of different authors on quads vs. Yagis. Anecdotally, I know that as a kid getting ready to head out the door for high school each morning, I'd always get up early to check 10 and 15 and was amazed to often hear that I was one of the first east coast stations to be heard across the pond. Cycles 20 and 21 were pretty good to me but so was the quad.

I'll close by mentioning that quads are three dimensional antennas. I've always been lucky to have all of them mounted on crank-up and tilt-over towers. When something broke, I could aim the boom end where the repairs needed to be made towards the ground and then fold the tower over. On a stick tower like the AN Wireless, if a wire element breaks on one of your highest corners (40m), you're not only going to be dropping the antenna down beside the tower, but it's going to have to remain in a boom-horizontal fashion while you attempt to reach the upper corner of your 40m box.

Then again... you may well own a crane!



73, Dan,



Jon Pearl - W4ABC

www.w4abc.com

On 3/10/2017 9:52 AM, Daniel Hileman wrote:
Hi Everyone,


I am thinking about putting a Cubex Mantis II Quad (2 elements on 40m, 4 elements 20-10m) 
on my AN Wireless tower at about 72'.  I am looking to see if anyone has experience with 
this quad, or other 40m quads, and can tell me how they like it. Looking for real life 
performance on 40m Vs a 2 or 3 element yagi? I know there is quite the debate on this, 
but not looking for "opinions" with no operational experience between the two. 
This would be  quite an undertaking to install and looking for whether those with 40m 
quads would do it again, and if they thought the performance was better/worse/same as a 2 
-3 element yagi.


Thanks and 73,

Dan N9WX
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