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Re: [TowerTalk] guying distance

To: "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m@kq2m.com>, cqtestk4xs@aol.com, towertalk@contesting.com, Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] guying distance
From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Reply-to: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:28:48 -0800 (PST)
List-post: <mailto:towertalk@contesting.com>
Ah, 'well, yes that goes without saying' to quote Dr. Franken-stein. But of 
course anytime you put beams up the side of a tower and rotate them you have to 
take into account the guy wires hitting the boom or elements. Of course, if 
it's a stand alone tower this does not come into play. Just something you have 
to deal with. But I still want do it and I've even though of using a 2 element 
quad on my particular setup. I like quads and know I can build another one. 
Tuning can be a chore. But I don't know why there aren't more of them. They 
work. 

But yes, make sure whatever antenna you put up doesn't contact the guys...

Terry
KI7M

> On December 5, 2018 at 8:54 AM "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m@kq2m.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> For various terrain and property line related reasons I have had to go 
> shorter than and significantly longer than the 80% with specific legs of my 
> two towers, as short as 65% and as long as 130%.  This also has an effect on 
> the tensioning of the guy wires – and which needs to be taken into account.
> 
> What is often not realized until after the fact is that if your intention is 
> to stack multiple antennas and rotate them separately, either on sidemounts 
> or ring rotors, using less than ~ 80% may compromise or eliminate your 
> ability to stack and rotate the “in-between” antennas because they will 
> likely get caught in the guy wires.  And, if there is not enough extra 
> clearance, even if you can safely rotate under the guy wires on a calm day, 
> on a day when it is windy or icy or both, you might not clear those same guy 
> wires!  It is quite remarkable to see just how much those guy wires can move 
> and bounce around in violent T-storm or worse!
> 
> Depending on the band, length of the boom and elements, proposed height of 
> the antenna, heights of the guy wire attachment points and proximity to the 
> antenna, radius of antenna (mounted on the rotator) from the tower legs 
> (especially if side-mounted) and other factors, 80% may not be enough either; 
> but it will at least get you “in the ballpark” and give you some viable 
> options.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob KQ2M
> 
> 
> From: Grant Saviers 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 11:17 AM
> To: cqtestk4xs@aol.com ; towertalk@contesting.com 
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] guying distance
> 
> Except that a PE can change this with the proper analysis.  Also, a post 
> plus deadman end is a way to geometrically shorten the 80%.  Look at 
> commercial guyed towers and they often have a shorter guy anchor to base 
> perecent (ie steeper guy angles).
> 
> Grant KZ1W
> 
> On 12/5/2018 7:42 AM, Bill via TowerTalk wrote:
> > Rohn specifies 80% of the height for their towers..25, 45, 55, 65 all the 
> > same.
> > Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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