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Re: [TowerTalk] Buried HF/VHF feedlines

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Buried HF/VHF feedlines
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:02:32 -0700
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Heliax is essentially plumbing.  Quite possibly I simply don't understand, but why is water a problem?  How does it penetrate the copper sheath?

And if water is a problem, why can't you have a hole in the conduit at the low spot to drain off the condensation (assuming you're below the frost line)?  The condensation should develop rather slowly, I would think, because it requires water vapor to penetrate the conduit.

Like I said ... maybe I just don't understand the situation.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 7/24/2020 11:17 PM, Jonathan - KE0YBL via TowerTalk wrote:
Hi All,
I feel like this has been done to death - and yet, the Internet has really been 
notoriously awful with misinformation for me the past few weeks. I appreciate 
your thoughts as I work through this!

I'm putting up a new tower primarily for HF and maybe some VHF. Given my ideal 
location is some ~350ft+ from the shack, I've been waffling back and forth as 
to whether to remote the radios in an enclosure, or bring Heliax back. I'm 
leaning toward the Heliax route.

I'm working with an experienced (decades) climber/tower company in my area 
(Minnesota), who has used 7/8" Heliax for $1.50/ft. This seems reasonable, and 
a fraction of new, thus making my project seem doable. Sadly may require an 
underground splice due to lengths, but one battle at a time. I'm open to other 
sources for such things.

Herein lies the rub -- my climber's experience has been (and probably yours as well) that 
directly burying this in our frozen tundra eventually results in crushed cable through thawing 
and freezing. I'm considering 3" or 4" HDPE conduit/innerduct to alleviate that, but 
given I'll need to go through a valley, condensate will condensate in the dip no matter what I 
do. I could perhaps drop the conduit down 36+" deep to avoid the frost level, but it'll 
still be sitting in water (albeit not frozen at that depth) without active moisture management 
in the run (fan, nitrogen (ugh), whatever - not feasible).

I feel like at this point I'm really overthinking it. Fiber to the tower and 
radios in a box would be much easier, but less desirable - but now I'm really 
torn.

I appreciate your feedback immensely,

Jonathan
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