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Re: [TowerTalk] COAX SEAL

To: Steve Maki <lists@oakcom.org>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] COAX SEAL
From: kq2m@kq2m.com
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:52:13 -0500
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There should be another part to this discussion that I have not yet seen mentioned. Coefficient of Thermal Expansion.

If the connectors are water tight/air tight, then in theory no taping of connectors should be necessary if the connections are all electrically/mechanically sound and very tight and no large physical stress in placed on them. Furthermore, if tape is used and water manages to get in, then it can potentially be sealed which over time could create problems. But changes in heat/humidity can cause condensation INSIDE the wraps anyway. So not using anything to wrap the coax/connectors would allow immediate exposure to the elements and simultaneously allow for moisture drainage away from the coax/connectors.

But none of that addresses HOW and WHEN those physically tight connections might become less tight. Enter Coefficient of Thermal Expansion.

We all know that various metals get hot faster than the outer jacket of coax, in response to direct sunlight and hot ambient temperatures in the Summer. Conversely, we know that objects (like connectors) will shrink in size response to the cold more than coax will shrink because of differences in the Coefficient of Thermal Expansion (the reverse of how they all expand with an increase in temperature).

Because connectors will shrink more in response to colder temperature than coax will, a tight connection will begin to loosen and will allow for water to get in. This is especially true in Winter in more Northern climates. So that "waterproof" connection becomes non-waterproof. And if water can get in, ice can form and expand the gap and damage the the coax or connectors or both. By using tape and sealant we are already protecting against that.

But note that this is already happening anyway in microscale because the coax jacket and the connectors are neither perfectly smooth nor exactly the same shape, so there are already tiny ridges and depressions on the surfaces of the coax jacket and the connectors that are allowing air and moisture to get in even though you can't see it. But these tiny gaps can easily be seen under an electron microscope even though is not visible to the naked eye. Bottom line: Pro or not, you really should use some sort of quality tape/wrap anyway.

73

Bob, KQ2M


On 2024-03-10 11:15, Steve Maki wrote:
You may have a different definition of "pro" that others do. Is it just the broadcast industry that utilizes "pros"? That's another subject for discussion.

It's true that modern connectors are theoretically weatherproof, and I do not weatherproof the many 7/16 DIN connectors on my own ham station, whether they are on Heliax or 3/8" RG8 stuff.

But in my (dare I say it?) professional work, our customers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc) require it. Until recently it was always tape-butyl-tape. Nowadays it's custom rubber boots...but still, it's external weatherproofing.

-Steve K8LX

On 03/10/24 7:04 AM, Rob Atkinson wrote:
I'm pretty certain that the pros use butyl mastic
The "pros" don't use anything because they don't use UHF connectors.
They are working with Heliax, waveguide, or ridgid line and the lines
are often pressurized.  Connectors made for those kinds of lines don't
require all these wild methods involving tar, and tape and do more
harm than good by sealing in moisture.stevek@jmr.com  is correct.
The ideal method is nothing.  If you have a feedline run laying on or
under the ground that's subject to flooding, then elevate the
connections.  I'd want to do that anyway to make it easier to
troubleshoot.  I tried all the tape, tar, grease, and so on a few
times early on and realized it was heading in the wrong direction.


73
Rob
K5UJ

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