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Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted
From: KU7Y <ku7y.cw@gmail.com>
Reply-to: KU7Y <ku7y@qsl.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:41:29 -0800
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Seems to me that maybe what's needed is a rule that prohibits a SO Unassisted from having any internet connection.

After all, if you are in a contest as SO Unassisted, what the heck do you need the internet for?

OK, back in my hole,

Ron, KU7Y
SOWP 5545M
Arizona Outlaws Contest Club
Silver Springs, NV
KX3 #0062
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Stockton" <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
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Sent: 25 February, 2013 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Single Op/Get Scores Assisted

It doesn't matter if all the single ops leave off the band breakdowns. The same opening notifications and more will be available by looking at the multi-operator categories - particularly M/M.

As it grows the number of instances of call sign fills for the guys you couldn't quite copy on 160 will become more prevalent....and using all that information is now allowed.

Get Scores will tell you however often it is chosen to update on what band a particular station is running. There are no frequencies shown and that has been determined to be OK. How about adding all the stations from RBN calling CQ but without frequencies (just bands) shown? Not a lot different than what you would have if everyone signed up for Get Scores.

Let's face the facts. You need to be on the Internet and take advantage of any and all internet assistance that is now allowed to maximize your success in a single operator, "unassisted" entry. Someone who does not have a computer connected to the Internet does not have all the possible advantages of someone who does have that connection in an unassisted entry.

73...Stan, K5GO

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On Feb 24, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Gerry Hull <gerry@yccc.org> wrote:

Hi Steve,

I do see your point. The "player" remark was unfortunate... I can see in
these situations where it could make a difference.
So -- that's why you guys don't post. However, you could post, motivating
others, by posting score not breakdown.  That is totally feasible.
That way, in your instance N2IC would see K5GN's score going up, but have
no idea why.

When K5ZD posts, he always masks his breakdown.

Perhaps you would consider posting your score if the site automatically
masked the breakdown of SO stations?

Food for thought...

I'm off to 8P in the morning... play more radio than internet.

73. Gerry

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Gerry Hull<gerry@yccc.org>  wrote:


Getscores has been up for more than five years, and the Russian site has
been up for a year or so.  No contesting authority has made any
against the sites, and I don't think they will.

If you are using the score posting site to make decisions about what to
in a contest, you are not a player at all.

Gerry, I don't know how to interpret this statement.

There is no doubt that the score posting system could provide valuable
information to the single-op, unassisted, serious competitor. Last
weekend's ARRL DX CW is a perfect example. N2IC(/5) and K5GN were both SOAB HP, vying for the top spot in W5, and top-10 national positions. Neither of
us posted to, or watched the score posting sites, even though there is
nothing in the rules to stop us. However, for the sake of discussion, let's say K5GN posted his score, with band breakdowns, and N2IC was observing the score posting site. During the actual contest, K5GN did indeed catch good
European openings on 20 meters during the wee hours of the morning, both
mornings. N2IC did not, and in fact, didn't look for those openings. K5GN made many more 20 meter QSO's, and finished ahead of N2IC. If N2IC could, at a glance, see that K5GN was suddenly piling on 20 meter QSO's at strange times of the day, do you think he would react to that information ? Would
he still be a "player" ? Would he still be unassisted ?

Steve, N2IC

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