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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW zero Point Qs

To: <sawyered@earthlink.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW zero Point Qs
From: "Rick Dougherty NQ4I" <nq4i@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:06:54 -0400
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Hi Ed...I like your approach, but want to take issue that the problem 
doesnot happen in ARRL also...the logging programs will not asccept qso's 
from ve or w/k as its set up for dx only format..so we don't log the ve or 
w/k qso's in arrl...we work'em and keep going..so the problem doesnot appear 
there for that reason...giving away a zone credit will not solve the 
problem...its the good'ol boy thing thats happening here in cqww...they hear 
you/us calling cq contest...not knowing the rules, they respond with a qso 
to help out...doesn't do any good to tell them thanks but no thanks....so 
like a good boy scout we work'em and log'em and go on....contrary to some 
opinions here, the people who are calling to help out, tend to be fairly 
strong...most in my case are from W1-W3 areas...and they cover up potential 
EU callers who might be many s units down in strength.... does the calling 
EU, who might be weaker in strength move on in frustration...maybe...don't 
know for sure...but for this period of time we are disposed taking this zero 
pointer call....

I do like KR2Q's possible good side effect...the rate meter is much higher 
and should make the run op "set his hair on fire" even more...hi

73 de Rick nq4i

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW zero Point Qs

>I can certainly appreciate the concern of working 100s and 100s of Qs that
> are of no point or mult value for stations.  It IS a question that 
> deserves
> discussion.  To me however, the 80% solution is so simple really and 
> doesn't
> change in ANY WAY the contest as we know it.
> Just give everyone the automatic mult of their own country and zone on any
> band that they have a QSO on.  We are all working that anyway, so no 
> scores
> or records are affected.
> What happens?  Well, I can speak for myself.
> I don't work Rick on any band for a "K 05" double mult...especially 10M
> where I have often worked Rick in the last few years from here (thanks
> Rick).
> I very likely don't work any zone 4 US station sice I will quickly work a
> zone 4 VE3 on all bands.
> That leaves zone 3 where I may still end up working NK7U or some other
> beacon station from out there on a couple of bands if needed.
> In my opinion, this would cut out 50 - 75% of the "need it for a mult" Qs 
> at
> strong M/M and SOAB stations and not effect anything else.
> I personally do not buy the "most guys think they are just helping out"
> argument.  Why?  The same guys would be "helping out" in ARRL DX but the
> fraction of zero pointers there is way way less.  Since the "helper 
> outers"
> don't know the rules in either of the contests...they should be just as
> helpful in both.  No...the vast vast majority of the zero point Qs in CQ 
> WW
> are people chasing the mult (like me).  Eliminate the need...and the 
> problem
> is basically gone.
> Let the rest of the contest breath on...for those of you who like the 
> "work
> everybody format", please join me in the IARU where there are no zero 
> point
> Qs.
> 73
> Ed  N1UR
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