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361. Re: Topband: Skywaves from Monopole Surface Waves (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 20:22:09 -0400
The tangle of tree roots in woods or forest is a discontinuity. It's an immediate discontinuity if the antenna IS in woods or forest (like mine). A vein of sandy soil that angles into the ground goin
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00166.html (13,461 bytes)

362. Re: Topband: Skywaves from Monopole Surface Waves (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 15:28:58 -0400
See Richard's quoted table below. Various combinations of the answers to questions below could invalidate the conclusions Richard draws from those figures, or concretely establish them. ** What was t
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00188.html (12,714 bytes)

363. Re: Topband: Skywaves from Monopole Surface Waves (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:19:34 -0400
This may be the nub of it, and it comes apart with our two fairly separate uses. Hams are after sky wave, and local area or even regional groundwave could matter less to most. For those trying to com
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00192.html (12,668 bytes)

364. Re: Topband: Skywaves from Monopole Surface Waves (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 21:46:28 -0400
Yes. But again, does that mean ANY vertical radiator automatically gets the low angle radiation no matter what? Does this persist for me working Russians on 160, or is it lost. Is the notch correct i
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00199.html (12,493 bytes)

365. Re: Topband: Skywaves from Monopole Surface Waves (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 20:41:30 -0400
The guy in the helicopter measured pretty much a straight vertical line. The curve in the bottom graph drops 2.5 db by the time it's up 2.5 degrees. Not straight. If helicopter guy was measuring at 5
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00212.html (12,026 bytes)

366. Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:14:44 -0400
I believe the question was what happened to the curve if you went out to 30 km and a height of 5 km. To compare with the curve of 2.8 km and a height of 500m. At 2.8 km there is a notch forming, alre
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00219.html (10,621 bytes)

367. Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:29:29 -0400
Perhaps a better definition of far field is the point of increasing distance where the shape of a pattern calculated by a near field process quits changing at angles and azimuths of concern. Let's te
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00226.html (12,540 bytes)

368. Topband: Solution: FCP + Inverted L, bend supported by "shorter" towers. (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 21:08:20 -0400
A big thank you to Frank, VO1HP, St. Johns, Newfoundland, whose successful version of the L + FCP + short tower is the genesis for this method. FCP refers to the 5/16 wave single wire folded counterp
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00229.html (19,982 bytes)

369. Re: Topband: Near Field/Far Field (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:37:57 -0400
First, I would like to thank Richard for passing on the information from the helicopter measurements. It was quite non-intuitive to me, and certainly got my attention. Then my intuitive vast over-sim
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00232.html (11,685 bytes)

370. Re: Topband: 160 meter elevated vertical (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 11:25:10 -0400
Hi, Bill, I would add that there is nothing good that can come of having coax pull away from a vertical without a good common mode choking device of some sort. You may get away without it, but if not
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00259.html (11,044 bytes)

371. Re: Topband: 160 meter elevated vertical (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:02:07 -0400
"Just DO the common mode choke on any vertical. Don't tempt Murphy." I stand by my comments. I find after some interesting conversations that readers of posts often read as if written to them. So I w
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00264.html (8,907 bytes)

372. Re: Topband: 160 meter elevated vertical (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 21:28:08 -0400
Interspersed. I see K4XS as still being in the general case. That is because a wavelength on 160 is 539 feet. He wound up going up 55 feet (a separate TopBand thread) or 0.10 (a tenth) of a wavelengt
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00278.html (13,285 bytes)

373. Re: Topband: Monopole Elev Pattern w.r.t. Earth Conductivity (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:50:34 -0400
I have not personally seen work to validate signal strength and prove the mechanics of arrival at various altitudes at 50 km. Tons of speculation, extrapolation. NEC4 says that it doesn't continue. B
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00302.html (17,538 bytes)

374. Re: Topband: Best angle of radiation ? (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:56:25 -0400
Wouldn't that have corresponded to the FCC's reduction in "clear-channel" strategies, and more local market driven commercial agendas? When I was a kid in the early 50's I got a QSL card from WOAI an
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00336.html (10,897 bytes)

375. Re: Topband: Monopole Elev Pattern w.r.t. Earth Conductivity (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 20:37:42 -0400
I stand by my remarks. This still does not substitute for the lack of confirming data at farther distances. If there is data contradicting NEC4 out at distances like 50 km, bring it on. We would all
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00361.html (18,421 bytes)

376. Re: Topband: Band open, no one home (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:30:46 -0400
Usual east coast subjects have been preoccupied. 73, Guy. _______________________________________________ Topband reflector - topband@contesting.com
/archives//html/Topband/2012-10/msg00386.html (7,646 bytes)

377. Re: Topband: Antenna analysers in close proximity to BC station. (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:23:31 -0400
The AIM 4170 (and probably some others) allows you to calibrate THROUGH filters and coax, etc, to the far side. That way a high pass filter in front of the unit is completely transparent, and you can
/archives//html/Topband/2012-11/msg00012.html (11,929 bytes)

378. Re: Topband: Not sure why it was bouncing..... (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:44:09 -0500
Bounces would mean the list serve robot being told your address was not valid, inbox was full, that kind of thing. If your ISP has a inbox limit, and you have travel intervals where you can't empty i
/archives//html/Topband/2012-11/msg00075.html (7,679 bytes)

379. Re: Topband: FCP (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 19:59:10 -0500
Very kind, and flattering, but... I'm really NOT expecting to be the loudest guy. There is no reason for me to expect that. But I AM in play. My station, including the antenna wire + FCP, IS "working
/archives//html/Topband/2012-11/msg00105.html (17,377 bytes)

380. Re: Topband: Total Length of Inverted-L wire? (score: 1)
Author: Guy Olinger K2AV <olinger@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:36:41 -0500
Pretty much, the MODEL says that the low angle stays the same, and you fill in the high angles. No loss to DX. Why bother? According to NEC4, my antenna plays better than it should. One of the intere
/archives//html/Topband/2012-11/msg00113.html (11,820 bytes)


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