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Subject: [AMPS] tube plate resistance
From: jtml@lanl.gov (John T. M. Lyles)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:25:41 -0600
There is a plate resistance in tubes, but it is not used in output 
matching calculations for RF amplifiers. It is the dynamic plate 
resistance, the resistance that the plate circuit offers to a small 
increment of plate voltage (to quote Frederick Terman in Radio 
Engineering). It is the reciprocal of the slope of the plate 
current/voltage characteristic curve. It is NOT the ratio of plate 
voltage to plate current at one point, however. According to Terman, 
it depends on the dimensions and position of the cathode, grid and 
plate, in a triode. Tubes with high amplification factor have a high 
plate resistance, as the plate voltage has little effect on the 
electrostatic field near the cathode. The plate resistance of small 
beam power tubes, pentodes and tetrodes is very high, where the plate 
current is substantially independent of plate voltage. Thousands of 
Ohms to Megohms are possible values of Rp. When building a broadband 
video amplifier (such as what USED to be in a television set), the 
value of Rp works in parallel with the capacitance of the plate to 
cathode, and the load resistance, to determine the upper frequency 
limit of the stage.

Langford-Smith thoroughly covers Rp in circuit calculations for radio 
receiver design and audio work, in Radiotron Designers Handbook.

When using large triodes with handles, the plate resistance can be 
quite low, as seen from the slope of the plate voltage 
characteristics. Recently I have found that even large tetrodes have 
measurably low plate resistance.
For instance, a Thomson TH555A operating at about 20 Amperes of plate 
current, in AB1, has about 630 Ohms for Rp. This is in shunt with the 
load in calculating the output impedance of the amplifier. In some 
particle accelerator applications it becomes important to know what 
the particle beam sees when looking back into the amplifier. While 
this Rp is not really a dissipative resistance in the tube, it is a 
real parameter that can be used in the design of the amplifier. I am 
speaking, of course, of class A continuous operation, for the Rp to 
be a single valid number. Yes, I suppose that partial conduction 
would cause a discontinuous variation in Rp.

One would not design the RF amplifier to match Rp to the load, as we 
already do this with the standard RF amplifier formulations - as many 
here have constantly reiterated.

> >Notice that at no time was the actual output impedance or load
> >resistance of the tube used!
>
>Huh?  It is a fact that maximum power transfer occurs when a device is
>operating into a load of the same real impedance that that device has.
>Period.  Now, we really don't mess with the output impedance of the tube
>because the tube is not linearly biased.  It acts more as a switch and
>therefore that impedance varies over the drive cycle.  This is the reason
>also that the tank circuit needs to have a fairly decent Q so that it can
>constantly deliver energy to the load over the drive cycle of the tube.
>I wouldn't want to stake my life on it, but that specified load impedance
>is probably pretty close to the average output impedance of the tube over
>the drive cycle.  That's the way the laws of physics require it to be in
>order to maximize power transfer.
>
> >The fact that the tube is not "matched" to the load also explains why
> >most of the reflected


At 11:46 PM -0400 10/1/99, Amps Digest wrote:
To: <amps@contesting.com>
>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:26:07 +0200
>From: "Maurizio Panicara" <i4jmy@iol.it>
>Subject: R: [AMPS] Conjugate matching and amplifiers
>
>I don't really agree with this statement at high power levels.
>
>An high level amplifier is not designed ONLY at a stated output power, but
>it's designed to be at the highest gain possible and for the best possible
>efficiency at such output.  (Imagine a 2 MW Amp that wouldn't be designed
>under this concept....)
>

Sometimes the 2MW amplifier is designed for high linearity or 
stability, and then efficiency and gain go down the drain. Our class 
A 100 kw amplifier is about 20% efficient, but only operates at 5% 
duty factor, so the average dissipated plate power is "reasonable" 
(less than 30 kW).

John
K5PRO







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