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Re: [Amps] Blowing off steam

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Subject: Re: [Amps] Blowing off steam
From: n4gi@tampabay.rr.com
Reply-to: n4gi@tampabay.rr.com
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:15:38 -0400
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Nothing complex about it, you're being outbid by snipers.  Buying stuff on ebay 
is a sham.

http://www.xellsoft.com/HarvEX.html



73,
Blake N4GI

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Havlicek <n8de@thepoint.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Amps] Blowing off steam

> eBay bidding goes like this:
> If two people bid on an item .. the higher bidder will be listed 
> as the 
> HIGH bid .. but only at an increment above the lower bidder.  The 
> increments depend on the price range .. at very low prices .. it's 
> only 
> 50 cents .. then it moves to $1 .. then to $2.50 .. then $5.00 ... 
> and 
> higher increments for much higher prices.
> 
> Assume the starting price is $298 ... If you bid $315 ... your bid 
> will 
> be $298 ... until someone bids higher [increment at that point is 
> $5] .. 
> their minimum bid must be $303 ... let's say they bid $310 ... at 
> that 
> point .. they will be notified that 'you have been outbid by 
> another 
> bidder' ... and the mid price will be $315 [increment above their 
> bid].
> ETC.....
> Don
> N8DE
> 
> W0UN -- John Brosnahan wrote:
> > At 12:35 PM 10/20/2004, Bill Turner wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:57:41 -0400, Will Matney wrote:
> >>
> >> >All in all, it makes me think about Jay Leno's "Jay Walking" 
> skit. I
> >> >didn't know there was that many folks out there that dense.
> >>
> >> _
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bidding will auto-increment on eBay.  So if two (or more) people set
> > an upper limit the program will increment each one until it runs out
> > of "limit".
> > 
> > In a recent case I put in a limit of $310 for an item that had a 
> minimum> bid of $298.  Since I was the only bidder on the item I 
> got it for $298.
> > The auto-increment program didn't have to do anything.
> > 
> > I am not positive of the details of how the auto increment works 
> but I
> > think it will work so that if someone puts in a $300 bid and I 
> put in a
> > $310 LIMIT bid and someone else puts in a $315 LIMIT bid then 
> the third guy
> > will get the item at $311.  But I am not sure if the computer 
> will 
> > increment
> > my bid to $301 and then auto increment the other limit bid to 
> $302 and then
> > auto increment mine to $303 until it gets to the total final 
> $311 or if 
> > it is "smart"
> > and just makes the jump to the top automatically.
> > 
> > So, from that perspective, it is not like an "in-person" auction 
> exactly.> This might explain how the bidding jumps up a number of 
> times> by the same people.   It may just be auto incrementing.
> > 
> > Under this scenario you just decide what is the maximum price you
> > are willing to pay and the bidding will get you the item for the 
> least> amount of money that exceeds everyone else's idea of what the
> > maximum they will pay.  If you get beat then it is because someone
> > else was willing to pay more for it than you would.
> > 
> > BTW  I have only done a couple of eBay bids--lost one and won 
> one--
> > so I am NO expert.   But it seems like a pretty fair way to run 
> things--
> > because you set your own max that you are willing to pay.  There is
> > the risk that you are bidding against a shill of some sort.   
> But you
> > never have to pay more than you are willing to pay.   And "shills"
> > are not unique to eBay.  I once bid on a lathe at a "live" (real 
> people> holding up their numbers) auction and was beat out by 
> someone else
> > when they went higher than I wanted to go.  But, amazingly, the item
> > was RE-auctioned at the end of the sale and I bought it the 
> second time.
> > 
> > It could have been a shill bidding against me--but maybe it was 
> someone> who exceeded his ability to pay by buying too much and 
> just could not
> > afford to pay for the item when it was time to settle.   But I 
> assume it
> > was a shill.  The good news is that the second time I got it for 
> less 
> > money.
> > 
> > --John   W0UN
> > 
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