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Re: [Amps] CB Amps or full spectrum???

To: <chasm@texas.net>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] CB Amps or full spectrum???
From: "Tom Rauch" <w8ji@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Tom Rauch <w8ji@contesting.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:42:02 -0400
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
> Wandering around the internet to include the bane of my 
> fellow shooters --
> ebay
> I ran across a FATBOY amp 700W HF, Hidrive (WHAT????), 
> base amp.
> being auctioned off.  This eventually sold for half MSRP 
> iow about $200.
>
> Now, that 700W out is about a nice mobile kicker but what 
> in the devil is
> SWING and DRIVE and a few other things.??
>
> Also, is this what is called a CB Amp?  iow, only good for 
> 10m (of course that
> would never be used on 11m would it?? naaah!).  or can 
> these be used for the
> full amateur bandplan???

There are at least four major problems with the amps, not 
two.

1.) Filtering. They need filters to reduce harmonics.

2.) Power output. These amps are all really ratty at rated 
power, and it has nothing to do with bias. ANY transistor, 
especially one running at 12 volts, can't be pushed anywhere 
near the saturated power or the IM goes to heck. A typical 
rule of thumb is if the amp starts to limit power at 100 
watts, the useful peak output for reasonable IMD will about 
50-75 watts.

This is why the FT1000MP's and TS440's and such we use will 
run 150 watts or more output if someone gets inside and 
screws up the power limiting controls. Even if left alone at 
100watts, they are marginal for IM products. Bump them up 
another 20-50% and they go to heck fast. It's all part of 
the CB mentality. While a tube amp, in particular a cathode 
driven triode, can be driven to near the point of power 
limiting without objectionable IM products a bipolar 
transistor cannot.

You might get away with a somewhat trashy 400 watt amp on a 
small inefficient mobile antenna, but not when it is 1500 
watts out and especially not on a big antenna!!! So if the 
amp runs 1000 watts carrier before it starts to get into 
heavy gain compression it's probably good for 500 - 700 
watts, depending on how clean you want it.

This has NOTHING to do with bias, although the bias voltage 
stability under full drive can affect the IM a little bit.

3.) Idling or low drive bias. CB amps don't usually have 
any. Replacing it or installing it for SSB service requires 
a regulated bias source that has very low source impedance. 
The idle bias sets the cross-over or low level distortion 
products. They are still harmful, but not as much as the 
full drive saturation above causes.

4.) Transformers. CB amps often have only transformers good 
at upper HF.

5.) Feedback. Many CB amps don't have negative feedback that 
reduces distortion and stabilizes the amp.

Personally I'd never even consider running a 12 volt amp at 
home. I don't even run on in my mobile anymore. I run an 
inverter and 50 volt FET's in my mobile, and the IM is 20dB 
less than a bipolar 12V amp.

Running low voltage bipolar transistors on a big antenna or 
at high power is really not a good idea and the cure isn't 
as simple as setting the zero signal idle current or adding 
a harmonic filter. The last thing we need is stuff like that 
on ham bands.

73 Tom



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