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Re: [Amps] liquid cooling

To: Carl <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] liquid cooling
From: Roger <sub1@rogerhalstead.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:26:28 -0400
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Carl wrote:
> Sounds like a job for good old PCB transformer oil maybe???
>   

Actually good old Dow Corning 200 fluid.
There are no normal cooling fluids that have a greater thermal 
conductivity than water.
I worked on a project with an engineer many decades ago trying to come 
up with a substitute fluid for a solar heating system that could be used 
in northern climates and not freeze at night. We had some pretty good 
stuff (basically 200 fluid of different viscosities), but it was expensive.

As to those talking about tubes submerged in oil such as the rectifiers 
in X-ray machines, that is primarily for insulation

73

Roger (K8RI)
> Carl
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> To: <larry@w7iuv.com>; <amps@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 12:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Amps] liquid cooling
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>   
>> Larry, I wonder why your aversion to using water?
>>
>> 73,
>> Gerald K5GW
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 4/5/2010 11:07:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> larry@w7iuv.com writes:
>>
>> The  recent discussion on water cooling amp tubes got me thinking. Again.
>> (not  a good thing)
>>
>> Basically I would like to play with liquid cooling but I  can't/won't use
>> water. While I was still working, I worked on a  multi-kilowatt amplifier
>> that was oil cooled. It went into the avionics  bay of an aircraft where
>> all the rest of the equipment was also oil  cooled.
>>
>> As I recall, the oil looked and felt like mineral oil, but I'm  sure the
>> military wouldn't use something that common and cheap and low  flash
>> point. At the time, I pulled up the MSDS for the oil but no longer  have
>> it and of course I can't remember the numbers.
>>
>> K8CU talks  about using ATF for cooling liquid  here:
>>
>> http://www.realhamradio.com/liquid-cooling.htm
>>
>> Unfortunately,  there is no indication in the article that he or anyone
>> else actually used  ATF. Now ATF contains sulphur compounds that eat
>> silver plating and cannot  normally be used in things like dummy loads
>> because of this property.  However, a set of heat exchangers used for
>> tube cooling would not have  that problem.
>>
>> K8CU also mentions mineral oil and says it is not  suitable due to the
>> low flash point. I have to wonder about that because  for one I would
>> hope nothing in a system I would build would ever get hot  enough to
>> worry about flash point and two, it probably won't flash anyway  due it
>> being in a closed system with little or no free  air/oxygen.
>>
>> What I'm looking for is someone who has actually done  liquid cooling
>> with something other than water. No, I have no interest in  "flat earth"
>> theories, or what you think you remember from a  thermodynamics class you
>> sat through 40 years ago. I want actual test  results and operational
>> data from real world applications.
>>
>> 73,  Larry
>>
>> Larry - W7IUV
>> DN07dg - central  WA
>> http://w7iuv.com
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