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Re: [Amps] 3cx800 flashover ?

To: pc5m@xs4all.nl, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] 3cx800 flashover ?
From: TexasRF@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
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Carel, negative grid current is usually caused by lower than optimum drive  
power. My understanding of grid dissipation is volts times amperes; either  
polarity.
 
73,
Gerald K5GW
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/24/2013 8:38:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
pc5m@xs4all.nl writes:

Hi,  small report on my 3cx800 project...

After more than 24hrs heather on  (didn’t dear to let it running unattended 
overnight...) first test did show  indeed improved vacuum ! flashovers 
started at higher idle current. So let it  heat some hours with reduced idle 
current (50mA or so, dissipating around  150W, considerable more than heather 
power). Apparently that did the trick !.  After some RF tweaking I just got 
stable 700W key down output (@ 432MHz) with  approx. 20W drive, so good 
enough as a QRP backup during next contest :-) ...  and no sign of flashovers.

Don’t know if those tube are known to  exhibit reverse grid current ? See 
approx 20mA of reverse grid current at full  output. 

BTW, How do you have to calculate grid dissipation when having  reverse 
grid current ? I don't think DC grid current * DC cathode-grid voltage  is 
anymore valid in that case ? 

73's Carel,  pc5m


-----Original Message-----
From: Carel, pc5m  [mailto:pc5m@xs4all.nl] 
Sent: woensdag 21 augustus 2013 19:19
To:  'amps@contesting.com'
Subject: RE: [Amps] 3cx800 flashover ?

Tnx  Peter/Carl/Bill,

Tube is now on with heather/blower, let's see what  happens next Friday 
.... 
73's Carel, pc5m

-----Original  Message-----
From: peter chadwick [mailto:g8on@fsmail.net] 
Sent:  woensdag 21 augustus 2013 18:08
To: Carel pc5m
Subject: RE: [Amps]  3cx800 flashover ?

Try running it with filament volts only for 48 hours  - apparently the 
getters on the ceramic tubes are activated by cathode  heat.

73

Peter  G3RZP


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Message Received:  Aug 21 2013, 05:03 PM
From: "Carel, pc5m" <pc5m@xs4all.nl>
To:  amps@contesting.com
Cc: 
Subject: [Amps] 3cx800 flashover ?

Hi, I  need some advice of the group if this 3cx800 is beyond  
revitalization.



Working on an old SSB electronics 70cm  PA with a single 3cx800 in grounded 
 grid configuration. Original  bias/control circuit was replaced with g3sek 
 triode board. PA has been  out of service for maybe 10 years or so.



When applying  heather and Ua and cut-off bias all fine, no flashes, no   
currents



Gradually lowering the kathode zenervoltage  towards 8V the anode current 
is  increasing normally till approx 50mA at  that point I hear internal tube  
arcing (I think) and upon lowering the  cathode voltge even more the over  
current protection suddenly jumps in  (set at 800mA or so).



Question: is it normal to get  internal flashover only at non-zero anode  
current ? (at 0 mA no  flashovers!)  Or do I have maybe another issue ? low  
frequency  oscillations ? 



I did replace the active zener config  for a brute force string of diodes 
(8  in a row or so), same phenomena  .



Anything I could do more before trashing this 3cx800  ?



Tnx, Carel  pc5m.

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