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Subject: Re: [Amps] Ion Pump
From: Kim Elmore <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:38:22 -0500
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I should add that my recollections are *quite* old -- I may be off about how deep the vacuum was as it may not have been that deep.

Kim N5OP

On 7/19/2014 4:52 PM, Kim Elmore wrote:
Back in the late 60's early 70's my dad worked as an aerospace physicist at 
what was then AVCO Tulsa Division.

A big part of his work dealt with ion attitude sensors for vehicles. To do this 
work he and his team fabricated ion guns from CRT electron guns. They had to do 
the work in very high vacuum (I think it was 10e-13 or 10e-14 Torr). They used 
oil diffusion pumps to get the vacuum low enough to use the ion pumps. Ion 
pimps work by ionizing the few gas molecules in the chamber and accelerating 
them into a target material so that they stick. If the pressure wasn't low 
enough, the ion pumps wouldn't work. It took a couple of days to get the vacuum 
to that point.

These were actually part of the vacuum chamber itself and were arrayed in a 
ring a few inches below the glass bell jar. I remember that they got pretty 
warm as they operated. But, I have no recollection of operating voltages or 
currents.

Kim N5OP

"People that make music together cannot be enemies, at least as long as the music 
lasts." -- Paul Hindemith

On Jul 19, 2014, at 14:29, John Lyles <jtml@losalamos.com> wrote:

Ion Pumps are worthy of a wikipedia check. They are used in high vacuum 
systems, once the vacuum is established with a roughing pump such as a Roots 
blower style or mechanical chug-chug recipocating. They help maintain the 
vacuum absorbing small qtys of free molecules. However, they are mounted via a 
tabulation or tubing off the main vessel, so they have limitations. Big tubes 
might have a 2 liter/sec 'appendage' pump. They don't actually have any moving 
parts, using a voltage of 3000-7000 volts DC through a current limited power 
supply. In particle accelerators, plasma sources, ion beam, or ion implantation 
sources, they might be much larger, like the size of a keg. These require power 
sources of 50 mA or so, while the little ones run off of 100 uA or less. In 
vacuum tube manufacture they are used along with another more modern devices 
called a cryo-pump. Like was said earlier, big tubes of over 100 kW dissipation 
often have appendage ion pumps mounted underneath. You can
  tell the quality of the vacuum from the power supply current, and when the 
tube is heated in operation and outgasses, the spikes in current will indicate 
the event, can be used to even interlock the HV or bias so that the tube won't 
run with trashed vacuum. This helps prevent internal arcing from the outgassing 
from damaging the grids and cathode.
73
John
K5PRO
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Kim Elmore, Ph.D. (Adj. Assoc. Prof., OU School of Meteorology, CCM, PP SEL/MEL/Glider, N5OP, 2nd Class Radiotelegraph, GROL)

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