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Re: [Amps] Tube wear out phenomena

To: "jtml@vla.com" <jtml@vla.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Tube wear out phenomena
From: RMorris <robrk@nidhog.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:01:21 -0500
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Some winter reading....

http://www.w8ji.com/qst_the_care_and_feeding_of_a_3-500zg_filament.htm



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On Dec 21, 2015, at 1:17, John Lyles <jtml@losalamos.com> wrote:

> Thorium is added at the 1% level to pure tungsten, to improve efficiency of 
> electron emission from the filament of direct heated tubes. It allows a 
> reduction of the temperature of a filament and reduced heating power, which 
> all contribute to longer life over tungsten filaments. It is not added to the 
> other metal parts of tubes.
> 
> It is true that the number of turn-on events is a factor in the lifetime of 
> large tubes. Without overloading or misusing the tube,
> filament emission lifetime should be the primary end of life event. When the 
> filament is energized and deenergized repeatedly, even with careful current 
> limiting and ramping of voltage, mechanical changes occur to the 'basket' and 
> lead to sagging and growth in diameter at the bottom. Given enough of these 
> events, there is a finite possibility of shorting filament to control grid in 
> large modern high gain tubes (where the spacing is already very close). 
> Hence, it is better to leave them operating, and reduce the voltage when 
> going to standby, but keeping some heating, sometimes called black heat mode.
> 
> Operating a high power tube below it's rating doesn't have an effect on 
> lifetime, unless the filament is operated far below design which can result 
> in damage. On the contrary, operating below rating usually does contribute to 
> lifetime extension, especially if the filament voltage is managed so that 
> emission is not excessive, far beyond the peak plate and cathode current 
> desired in the operating point.
> 
> I have some amplifiers that run over 100 kW at HF, using modern tetrodes, and 
> they routinely exceed 30,000 hours life before replacement. They are used for 
> peak current, but the average power is quite lower than their rating.
> 
> 73
> John
> K5PRO
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/17/2015 7:59 PM, Charles H wrote:
>>> On this reflector, I have poo-pooed the idea of baby-ing your radio 
>>> especially by turning it off often, lowering xmit power, etc.
>>> However, I read that with ordinary tubes, the chemistry of the cathodes and 
>>> filaments are affected by life-of-use, so that tubes do
> "wear out" with use.  Tubes can be rated in terms of "hours of use" with the 
> type in a KWM-2 rated at around 2,000 hours of useful function.
> Thorium in the chemical make-up of the metal parts in a tube, maybe a metal 
> or ceramic tube (usually added to higher power tubes) can extend tube life to 
> about 100,000 hours.
>>> 
>>> The conclusion is that "hours of use" of course do matter for hams 
>>> intending to use their tube-type radios for thousands of hours.  The hours 
>>> of use can be limited by
> simply turning the tube off when having only stand-by function. However, 
> there is some suggestion in the literature indicating that every "turn on" of 
> a tube (or an incandescent
> light bulb) involves rapid heating of the elements inside which could, 
> immediately or over time, deform elements and causing sudden failure (given 
> that the metal elements do heat
> unevenly--due to resistance in the metal--if only for a very short duration 
> of time).  Repetition of on-and-off cycles are thus a factor in lower tube 
> life.
>>> 
>>> Other than these factors, it appears in the literature that operating a 
>>> tube, particularly high power transmitting tubes, at its rated values can 
>>> extend life IF it is
> otherwise not sometimes operated below or above its ratings.  It appears 
> that, for example, driving an RF amplifying tube at its full rated power does 
> not materially decrease
> its life.   Reducing drive appears not to extend such tubes' life.
>>> 
>>> It is all a balancing act.  73, Charly
> 
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