I think it's important to point out that should RF interfere with a
vehicle's computers, it will never stop the brakes from working. Yes, the
ABS might quit or possible power assist stop, but the brakes will still
work, just require more pressure. As a sports car racer, the first thing I
did on my "new" car was to disable the ABS. I prefer to remain in control.
The same is true for power assisted steering. Also, the HT I used to
communicate with my pit crew (XLY) didn't bother the car's CPU.
A corollary is the problem Toyota experienced with runaway throttle
controls. I experienced this once from an empty plastic bottle someone
through into my race car. Being well strapped into the racing seat, I
couldn't reach it on the floor under my feet. Eventually, it got stuck
under the throttle pedal, finally holding the pedal down as I approached a
pair of turns at 85 mph that went about 170 degrees. I went off track
slightly since I had to really brake hard to counter increased momentum that
occurred when I took my foot off the throttle with no effect.
The simple solution for this, and the Toyota issue, was to turn the engine
off! That is challenging when one has a split second to decide on a course
of action. The obvious alternatives are less obvious in stressful
situations. That's why we teach new racers at lower speeds on the track,
take them back to the classroom, discuss what happened, and do it again.
Practicing alternatives (think about fighter pilots' training) saves lives!
The cop who died in one of those Toyotas didn't have to die. He had plenty
of time and simply didn't out-think the car!
73, Bill, K8TE
Faith, Family, Radio-Life is good!
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1. Mobile Amps ? (Jim Thomson)
2. Re: Mobile Amps ? (Big Don)
3. Re: Mobile Amps ? (Ron Youvan)
4. Re: Mobile Amps ? (Fern Rivard)
5. Re: Mobile Amps ? (Mark Bitterlich)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:14:40 -0700
From: "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
To: <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
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Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:08:13 -0400
From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
I remember years ago when computerized engine management was being bothered
or destroyed by ham, public safety, and commercial radios. A big stink
resulted, plus law suits until it was corrected
It sounds like time to raise a stink again but dont expect any help from
anti radio CA.
Carl
## last time I had the 2m hand held in the company work van, I was
fiddling with it, trying to program the correct sub audible tone in, for a
repeater.
Looked up, and had just started to cross the double yellow line, on a major
hwy,
at the highest peak, on a slight right sweeper. Scared the s#@t outa me.
## Once I got so pissed off with the 2m FM handheld, while mobile on the
hwy, I actually threw the damned thing out the drivers side window. It
didnt go anywhere, since it was plugged into the cigarette lighter in the
middle of the dash ! Gave it to my
son eventually. Around here, 2M FM and 11m is not much difference. 2m
is
worse. Wife was not impressed with the crap on 2M FM..and reads me the
riot act.
The cell phone + GPS is far more useful. These days, with a Roush Mustang +
supercharger, I have to be 100 % focused at all times.
Jim VE7RF
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:57:03 -0700
From: Big Don <bigdon39@gmail.com>
To: Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net>
Cc: "amps@contesting.com" <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
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We recall stories of folks running mobile *QRO* shutting down the car over
in the adjacent lane.....
-Don- N7EF
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:08:13 -0400
> From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
> To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
>
> I remember years ago when computerized engine management was being
> bothered or destroyed by ham, public safety, and commercial radios. A
> big stink resulted, plus law suits until it was corrected
>
> It sounds like time to raise a stink again but dont expect any help
> from anti radio CA.
>
> Carl
>
> ## last time I had the 2m hand held in the company work van, I was
> fiddling with it, trying to program the correct sub audible tone in,
> for a repeater.
> Looked up, and had just started to cross the double yellow line, on a
> major hwy,
> at the highest peak, on a slight right sweeper. Scared the s#@t outa me.
>
> ## Once I got so pissed off with the 2m FM handheld, while mobile on
> the hwy, I actually threw the damned thing out the drivers side
> window. It didnt go anywhere, since it was plugged into the cigarette
> lighter in the middle of the dash ! Gave it to my
> son eventually. Around here, 2M FM and 11m is not much difference.
> 2m is
> worse. Wife was not impressed with the crap on 2M FM..and reads me the
> riot act.
> The cell phone + GPS is far more useful. These days, with a Roush
> Mustang + supercharger, I have to be 100 % focused at all times.
>
> Jim VE7RF
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 12:58:27 -0400
From: Ron Youvan <ka4inm@gmail.com>
To: amps <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
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Mike VE9AA es VE9AA/m Smith VE9AA wrote:
> I am thinking of upgrading my mobile station from 100w to something more.
> 500-600w minimum.
> At one time there seemed to be more choices available to the mobile
> ham but now about the only choice seems
> to be the Ameritron ALS-500M. At $1350 CDN + 15% tax and then
> shipping, (making it about $1600 CDN) it's not cheap for a 350-400w (CW)
amp.
> I don't mind paying for quality, but what scares me more about this
> amp are some of the less than glowing reviews.
Instead of an 80 Ampere amplifier (+ 20 Amperes of transceiver) you might
want to think about the possibility of a 40 Ampere transceiver such as:
(HAM stick only do 200 Watts)
The TS-480HX provides 200 watts (100 on 6 meters) and does not have the
built-in antenna tuner for +3dB improvement instead of the 6+ dB improvement
from the 80 Amperes.
Everyone that I have head from that has one loved it.
If you are working cw why do you need so much power? (80 meters?)
--
Ron KA4INM - Youvan's corollary:
Every action results in unwanted side effects.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:11:02 -0600
From: "Fern Rivard" <crc@cyberlink.ca>
To: "Big Don" <bigdon39@gmail.com>, "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
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I would love to have some kind of QRO to knock off those idiots that insist
on using their cell phones while driving!
I wouldn?t mind to have something that would blast the heck of those kids
that use those high power audio blasters in their cars.
Fern VE7GZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Big Don
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:57 AM
To: Jim Thomson
Cc: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
We recall stories of folks running mobile *QRO* shutting down the car over
in the adjacent lane.....
-Don- N7EF
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:08:13 -0400
> From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
> To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
>
> I remember years ago when computerized engine management was being
> bothered or destroyed by ham, public safety, and commercial radios. A
> big stink resulted, plus law suits until it was corrected
>
> It sounds like time to raise a stink again but dont expect any help
> from anti radio CA.
>
> Carl
>
> ## last time I had the 2m hand held in the company work van, I was
> fiddling with it, trying to program the correct sub audible tone in,
> for a repeater.
> Looked up, and had just started to cross the double yellow line, on a
> major hwy,
> at the highest peak, on a slight right sweeper. Scared the s#@t outa me.
>
> ## Once I got so pissed off with the 2m FM handheld, while mobile on
> the hwy, I actually threw the damned thing out the drivers side
> window. It didnt go anywhere, since it was plugged into the cigarette
> lighter in the middle of the dash ! Gave it to my
> son eventually. Around here, 2M FM and 11m is not much difference.
> 2m is
> worse. Wife was not impressed with the crap on 2M FM..and reads me the
> riot act.
> The cell phone + GPS is far more useful. These days, with a Roush
> Mustang + supercharger, I have to be 100 % focused at all times.
>
> Jim VE7RF
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:35:04 -0400
From: "Mark Bitterlich" <markbitterlich@embarqmail.com>
To: "Fern Rivard" <crc@cyberlink.ca>, "Big Don" <bigdon39@gmail.com>,
"Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
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Sadly "QRO" does not stand much of a chance against cell phones. However,
there are devices out there that are available that will. Of course, the
FCC takes a dim view on cell phone jammers, as do many who claim that they
would not be able to dial "911" should they need to. However, most every
driver on the road continuously sees idiots texting, and driving erratically
while talking on their cells, or worse yet trying to type on them. It makes
one wonder about the "balance of risk". More and more laws are going into
effect (North Carolina is voting on one now) that outlaw ALL electrical
communication devices while driving. That would include Ham Radio by the
way, so there is a connection to this issue, sort of. As for the "audio
blasters", if they are being driven by SiriusXM or through cell phone music
sites, those can be taken out too, but one wonders what a KW at 80 meters
would do to unshielded audio wiring.
So, one last note .... there are those that kind of go berserk at the
thought/discussion of amateur amplifiers that grossly exceed maximum legal
power. Personally, I learn a lot from those discussion and enjoy them, so I
am going to risk their ire by including a link to those that want to read a
little bit about how the above is done. That said, I do this for a living.
https://www.jammer-store.com/
That said, I do this for a living, which is why I could not resist writing.
The devices that are sold at places like this are rather primitive broadband
noise transmitters. The really sophisticated devices used by the military
actually make the cell phone think they are talking to a real cell phone
node/tower and can even redirect calls.
Mark
WA3JPY
p.s. Incoming .....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fern Rivard" <crc@cyberlink.ca>
To: "Big Don" <bigdon39@gmail.com>; "Jim Thomson" <jim.thom@telus.net>
Cc: <amps@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
>I would love to have some kind of QRO to knock off those idiots that insist
>on using their cell phones while driving!
> I wouldn?t mind to have something that would blast the heck of those kids
> that use those high power audio blasters in their cars.
> Fern VE7GZ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Big Don
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 10:57 AM
> To: Jim Thomson
> Cc: amps@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
>
> We recall stories of folks running mobile *QRO* shutting down
> the car over in the adjacent lane.....
> -Don- N7EF
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Jim Thomson <jim.thom@telus.net> wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:08:13 -0400
>> From: "Carl" <km1h@jeremy.qozzy.com>
>> To: <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Amps] Mobile Amps ?
>>
>> I remember years ago when computerized engine management was being
>> bothered
>> or destroyed by ham, public safety, and commercial radios. A big stink
>> resulted, plus law suits until it was corrected
>>
>> It sounds like time to raise a stink again but dont expect any help from
>> anti radio CA.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> ## last time I had the 2m hand held in the company work van, I was
>> fiddling with it,
>> trying to program the correct sub audible tone in, for a repeater.
>> Looked up, and had just started to cross the double yellow line, on a
>> major hwy,
>> at the highest peak, on a slight right sweeper. Scared the s#@t outa
>> me.
>>
>> ## Once I got so pissed off with the 2m FM handheld, while mobile on the
>> hwy, I
>> actually threw the damned thing out the drivers side window. It didnt go
>> anywhere,
>> since it was plugged into the cigarette lighter in the middle of the dash
>> ! Gave it to my
>> son eventually. Around here, 2M FM and 11m is not much difference.
>> 2m is
>> worse. Wife was not impressed with the crap on 2M FM..and reads me the
>> riot act.
>> The cell phone + GPS is far more useful. These days, with a Roush Mustang
>> +
>> supercharger, I have to be 100 % focused at all times.
>>
>> Jim VE7RF
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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