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Re: [Amps] Hard bus bar copper and inductor Q

Subject: Re: [Amps] Hard bus bar copper and inductor Q
From: Conrad PA5Y <>
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 10:12:10 +0100
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Wrong use of the word annealed, the copper is hardened somehow and is darker than normal copper. I don't like it so I will buy some thin pure cooper sheet and cut in in a guillotine. That way I get exactly what I want.


Conrad PA5Y

On 2017-08-31 21:48, Conrad PA5Y wrote:
Hello again, I have gathered almost everything that I need for my
3CX800A7 conversion from 2m to 6m.

I have choice of materials for L1.

I have some 6mm soft copper pipe, some 4mm soft copper pipe and some
3mm silver plated copper wire. All the tubing is C102 copper and forms
very nicely. VE7RF suggested that I use some flat strap and make L1 a
flat wound coil to reduce capacitance between turns, it is also very
easy to drill for blocking caps.  This makes sense to me.

The strap that I have is 17mm wide and 1.5mm thick but I have some
concerns. It was used as bus bar material and is much harder than the
C102 copper tube that I have. It is also considerably darker in
colour. It forms into coils quite easily and is not particularly
springy so I am fairly sure that it is not Beryllium copper. I suspect
that it has been annealed. I am worried that the resistivity will be
high but surely as it was used for busbars it won't be lossy, will it?

Soon I will have a DER EE DE-5000 LCR meter which I am told are very
good value for money and I can measure component Q so I should see the
difference between the flat bar and the copper tube, if there is a
problem. I know for sure that the copper tube is C102 soft copper. I
would be interested in hearing from anyone who has this instrument and
what they think of it.

Any advice? In the past I have made a number of QRO VHF amps for 6m
and without exception the efficiency has been good. This is the first
one that I have actually designed myself and I expect the loaded Q to
be 10-12, previous amplifiers had big tubes, lots of stray C and had a
higher Q and were mainly copies or adaptations of published designs.
This time I want to design and truly understand what I am doing.

I am still somewhat mystified by Anode RFCs for VHF amplifiers, I can
plug numbers into the GM3SEK spread sheet but I do not know exactly
how to design a good choke. Most of the stuff that I found on google
was concerned with multi-band HF amplifiers and the perils of series
resonance. What are the rules of thumb. I can do the calculations but
what are my goals?

Hopefully this will give the reflector a kick and start some
interesting discussion.


Conrad PA5Y

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