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Re: [Amps] SB-220 Output Network

To: Nidhog <>
Subject: Re: [Amps] SB-220 Output Network
From: Joe <>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 12:42:18 -0500
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Will check it out.

It's all working and has worked perfectly without any issues of any kind for over 2 years now. No arc's nothing at all. it is just to make it have a well you know the load cap is in a good spot you have to run 1400+ watts.

And want to finally be able not to have to.


On 8/12/2021 12:28 PM, Nidhog wrote:
You are trying to put a 427 in a Vega.
Go read a handbook or go here.
I don’t have a Microslop computer to do the software.
Mouse down and do his Pi net design.
Bet there’s others, on the net. <>

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:57, Joe <> wrote:

Hopefully some of you here may remember my adventures with this SB-220.

I'm the one that ran RTTY at full power in a RTTY Contest and literally melted down the HV transformer.
And in the process toasted a LOT of other stuff with it.

So a complete re-build and change of the HV section was needed.

So after looking at what a Pair of 3-500Z's can actually do, I decided to try to get all I can from them.
Think like a Big Henry Amp.

I looked at the Eimac data sheets. And found a suitable HV transformer.

This amp now has 3800 volts at rest on the plates and at full load 3600 to 3700 volts.

Problem is, running this much higher voltage has changed the values of the output network components needed to be to obtain a match now.

It was discovered that on EVERY Band, until the amp is making 1400 watts or MORE the load control wants to be fully meshed, max amount of "C" available.

Once it gets above 1400 watts, then you can get a peak on output power when adjusting it.
But it is still a very small less "C" like 5% less than maxed out.

So a simple thought was add more "C" so added a nice variable in parallel with the load cap. This cap was about 1/2 the value of the main load cap, so thought this should be plenty.

I was amazed to see that if it made any change at all, it was very minimal.

So with discussions with many on this group and elsewhere, it was decided that because of the higher voltage, this amp needs more "L".

That is a major re-do for sure so I set that on the side. So continued to use the amp at 1400 watts or more.

Thats been geez 2 years now? The AMP is still running great! But often I did not need or want to run 1400+ watts, So I bit the bullet and decided to try to add the More "L"

Now I "CAN" just do a poke and not do anything Scientifically.

Like on the 10/15 coil, just move the 10 meter tap 1 turn longer.
looking at the 80/40/20, coil, It actually looks like I can add in the coil form up to 7 or 8 more turns! The grooves in the form are there.

Give like 15 meters one more turn,

20 meters 1 turn
40 2 turns
80 3 turns

And just see what happens?

Or is anyone here great with all that math stuff that I probably learned when I took my extra exam in 1980 or so, but have long forgot how to do this kind of work to calculate the needed components.

But thinking Ok here is a stock SB-220  a pair of 3-500Z's
Stock voltage is what? 2500 & 3000 volts

With stock caps and the pair of 3-500Z's How much "L" is needed on each band.
I would assume that is how much "L" was designed in the Kit.

Now raise the voltage to 3600 to 3800 volts.

Now how much "L" is needed with the rest still stock?
for each band?

and using the stock 1.75" coil form, how many turns should be the best chance of working for each band segment?

Anyone willing to try a gander at this?


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