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Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b anomaly

To: Aleksandar Petkovic <vk6apk@bigpond.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Alpha 91b anomaly
From: gudguyham via Amps <amps@contesting.com>
Reply-to: gudguyham <gudguyham@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:45:41 +0000 (UTC)
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Alek tell me more?  What do you know? Please??????


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On Monday, September 27, 2021, 8:15 AM, Aleksandar Petkovic 
<vk6apk@bigpond.com> wrote:

Steve, VK6VZ. Are you reading this?

73, Alek, VK6APK

On 27/09/2021 7:34 pm, gudguyham via Amps wrote:
> Hey guys, hope everyone is staying safe these days.  We’ll just as you 
> thought you’ve seen it all something weird comes along.  I’m working on a 91b 
> that belongs to an ARRL director.  He bought it recently from a ham that was 
> liquidating an estate of an SK.  The seller doesn’t know anything about the 
> history of the amp and the guy that does is SK so I guess it ends there.  
> Well anyway the amp comes to me with the problem “ it won’t turn on”.  I 
> won’t bore you with the step by step troubleshooting process but if you look 
> at the schematic, the start up process is a major series of logic circuits to 
> get the damn thing to turn on.  I fully checked it all out and suddenly I 
> discovered a couple wires going off the schematic diagram and over to another 
> diagram of the screen board.  When I followed those wires on the schematic I 
> see a closed loop going through the contacts on K1 on the screen board.  If 
> connects via J4.  I pulled the connector off J4 and I looked on pins 1 and 2 
> for a 15 ohm reading which would confirm a closed loop through K1 common and 
> NC contacts.  This loop completes the logic circuit that latches the 
> contractor relay.  K1 energizes in a major Plate current fault and opens the 
> contractor and kicks the amp off line.  As you’ll notice on the schematic the 
> K1 loop is closed when the amp is de-energized and only opens in a fault.  
> Well when I tested for 15 ohms on pins 1 and 2 I read open.  Well ah ha that 
> explains why the amp won’t turn on.  It wasn’t hard to figure there’s 
> something open in that loop.  There’s only a 15 ohm resistor and a set of 
> relay contacts.  What I discovered is nothing short of incredible.  The 15 
> ohm resistor was not open and the relay contacts were not welded closed.  The 
> problem is that the 15 ohm resistor which is traced over to the NC contact of 
> the relay on the schematic is actually traced over to the NO contact.  
> Subsequently the loop is open and not closed with the relay not energized.  I 
> ohmed out the relay contacts and sure enough the relay is fine and it ohms 
> out according to the cut sheet.  I checked the part number on the relay with 
> the parts list and it agrees.  The trace on the PC board connects to the 
> wrong terminal on the relay.  You can see through the relay cover and tell 
> that the contacts are not welded.  The schematic agrees with the relay logic, 
> but the PC board simply had the trace misplaced.   That said, this amp could 
> have never worked as is.  What’s going on here?  Anybody?
>
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