> I have a friend who subscribes to Compuserve and would like to join the
> Contest
> refelector. I don't know how the link works... ie. how do you address
> messages
> from the Compuserve side to get to internet, and vice versa.
>
> If you are using Compuserve to access the refelector, could you please let me
> know how you do it (or if you just know how).
[reply posted in case this is useful to others too]
Compuserve users can mail to Internet by prefixing the address with
"INTERNET:". For example they would mail
INTERNET:CQ-Contest-Request@TGV.COM
to get on the reflector.
To go the other way, it's the Compuserve login ID followed by
"@compuserve.com", but with the comma replaced by a period. Like this:
72673.2105@compuserve.com
would get to me on Compuserve.
Keep in mind Compuserve users not only pay for outgoing mail but also
incoming mail from Internet (only if they read it).
There is a document posted to Usenet every so often called the
"Inter-Network Mail Guide" that explains how to get mail from just about
any network to another (Internet, BITNET, CIS, AOL, IBMmail, ATT, MCI,
you name it). I'll forward to anyone who's interested.
-- ray // WQ5L // rrrocker@rock.b11.ingr.com
>From draperbl <draperbl@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov> Tue Feb 1 14:47:00 1994
From: draperbl <draperbl@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov> (draperbl)
Subject: Re[2]: JA decrease, 10m contest
Message-ID: <9402010847.A08777@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov.>
:From George, WB5VZL (first pargraph is quoting me):
:
: The comparison certainly isn't very clean (phone vs mixed modes,
: single vs multi-op, the 1990 contest had tons of novice/tech QSOs,
: etc.), but the JA downward trend seems fairly clear. In just one
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
:how can you say this - the diffrence in the JA qso totals is
:a huge 18 contacts. this shows that the same number of
:JAs are calling you as they did 10 years ago.
:
:
:i do think that what it really shows is the huge increases
:in the european hams/contesters.
:
__________________________________________________
Well, George, maybe it's my fault for not presenting a cleaner
comparison to begin with. After JF3NRI sent me a suggestion
via eMail, I went back into the 1990 logs and extracted only
the phone QSOs. Here's the revised table:
YEAR PH.QSOs JA %JA Europe %EU JA/EU RATIO
____ _______ ___ ___ ______ ___ ___________
1980 2771 450 16% 344 12% 1.3
1990 2887 289 10% 331 11% 0.9
I don't want to make a big deal of this -- I just wanted to
present some data in support of N2IC's and others' log comparisons.
So far, the numbers I've seen support the feeling that many of
us have had for the last several years.
73,
Bruce, AA5B draperbl@mdlchtm.eece.unm.edu
_______________________________________
An interesting note from Atsushi, JF3NRI:
Hi Bruce
Thanks for reply. I expected you get a result of decreasing JA. Tack JE1CKA
discribed it. I think there are some other reasons. As I remember when I got
my license in late 70's. Most of us began the HAM radio from HF. On that time,
cost of HF TRX is nearly same as well equipted 2m FM trx (I mean with a lot of
expensive crystal.) I had 4 same age friends. Everybody started from HF.
Of course our antenna was Dipole and GP.Not many QSO with any DX.In these days
the cost of V/UHF HT is much cheaper than any HF TRX. HF needs a big antenna.
But HT needs small GP. Think about the size of JA land. You do not need
big HF system to work the guy in same country. Good repeater is enough.
When I lived in JA1, on weekend night, I drived to the monutain top.I operated
for 5hours until I was too sleepy to drive. I got 500QSO on 2m. It was not
contest weekend. JA HAM can talk with thousands of people in V/UHF with simple
HT. Why they come to HF?
Anyway I will return to JA3 on coming March and will try young people to
join the HF world as possible.
JF3NRI/N9KAU ATSUSHI
>From Steven.M.London@att.com (Steven M London +1 303 538 4763) Tue Feb 1
>16:01:00 1994
From: Steven.M.London@att.com (Steven M London +1 303 538 4763) (Steven M
London +1 303 538 4763)
Subject: Kids and Contesting
Message-ID: <9402011600.AA16529@bighorn.dr.att.com>
There is a very active group of kids, ages 8-16, involved in a local ham
radio program (and a sizable number of adults to shepard the program).
The program emphasizes the Novice and Tech-plus as the entry level licenses
(as opposed to the no-code Tech), and has produced about 40 hams
over the last 2 years.
I had about 25 kids over at my QTH for last years's WPX phone for a few
hours. About half the kids were very enthusiastic about contesting. Since
then, they have done a kids-only Field Day, and have been at KG0E's QTH for
CQWW Phone. The problem is nurturing a continuing interest in contesting.
These are all sharp kids - they are involved in so many different activities,
compared to when I was a kid. They just don't have the time to devote to
contests. I would love to invite a few of them over for more than just
an hour or two in a contest, but it's hard to get that kind of time commitment.
I hate to get nostalgic, but things have really changed since I got started
20-25 years ago. We were a bunch of self-motivated kids who thought contesting
was great fun. My home town had several world-class contesters,
but none of them went out of their way to encourage us kids (but we
really didn't need their encouragement). At the time,
we thought they were pretty snobby. Do we look the same way to today's kids ?
Steve, N2IC/0
>From Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH@TGV.COM> Tue Feb 1 16:20:24 1994
From: Trey Garlough <GARLOUGH@TGV.COM> (Trey Garlough)
Subject: 16 year old
Message-ID: <760119624.428760.GARLOUGH@TGV.COM>
> Here's a stab at a survey:
>
> 1) When did you get infected with the contest bug?
> 2) What made that occasion stand out?
> 3) Who made the difference to you?
>
> 73, Dave NG0X
> dcurtis@mipos2.intel.com
Please respond directly to Dave, and Dave will summarize the responses
in a single posting back to the list.
--Trey, WN4KKN/6
>From draperbl <draperbl@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov> Tue Feb 1 16:01:12 1994
From: draperbl <draperbl@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov> (draperbl)
Subject: WW2Y CQ 160 Score
Message-ID: <9402011001.A08786@smtplink.mdl.sandia.gov.>
Peter, WW2Y, called me on the phone last night and asked me to
relay his comments about the 160 contest last weekend. Gotta
admit that it was pretty ironic taking notes by candlelight on
such a high-tech subject as radio contesting, but we had no
electricity last night!
WW2Y CQ160 CW Contest Results
1162 QSOs 59 Countries 58 W/VE mults ----> 492,687 points
If the score holds up, it'll beat the record that we set at Peter's
station last year in this contest. He and Rob (K2WI) seem to have
put together a terrific low-band station in central NJ.
First night: Europe for first half hour, then none until 0430Z.
Normal peak during Eu sunrises. Only (!) 77 10-pointers the
first night and 92 total multipliers. QRN/storms and bad
propagation.
Second night: Europe all night. No peaks at Eu sunrises.
They worked a total of 210 10-pointers. But despite the fact
that Peter's station has won a fair number of 160 'tests and
holds at least a couple of 160 multi-op records, they've
NEVER worked a JA on the band during a contest!
First night operators: WW2Y, K2WI
Second night ops: WW2Y, K2WI, W2RQ, N2NU, KZ2S, N2NT, KE2PF
Station: TR7/R7 combo, Ten-Tec amp, phased inv-Ls, low inv-Vee,
wonderful array of Beverage antennas.
-Bruce, AA5B
draperbl@mdlchtm.eece.unm.edu
>From len@ariel.coe.neu.edu (Leonard Kay) Tue Feb 1 17:06:09 1994
From: len@ariel.coe.neu.edu (Leonard Kay) (Leonard Kay)
Subject: CT vs. ???
Message-ID: <9402011706.AA02510@ariel.coe.neu.edu>
>>On Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:50:42 EST, Larry Novak wrote:
>>>
>>>I hear a lot of discussion about the problems with CT, mostly relating
>>>to bugs in new versions. I'm wondering why, then, everyone continues
>>>to use it? I know there must be some people using NA and the new N6TR
>>>package, but why the overwhelming use of CT?
It works. It works well, for the most part. Obvious bugs like this last
one we're hearing about with super-check-partial are just stupid little
flubs that can be fixed pretty easily. MAJOR bugs -- like not scoring
the contest correctly -- are rare. And it's the default lingua franca of
contesting. Granted, Microsoft is not well liked these days, either.... but
if the new revs get buggier and buggier (unlikely) then someone new can `
always try to muscle in with a new package.
Ever think of what CT's doing while you're running 20?. Lots of info going
out lots of ports. Coordinating all the computers and rigs for multis. All
happening real-time while you're sending CW. As Tony LaRussa said, 'There's
a lot of stuff goes on'.
This is off on a tangent, but stop a minute and think. When do people whine
about these bugs? Seems like it's usually just before a contest. Great timing.
Would you buy the latest new version of your word-processing package and
attempt to use it the day before an important document is due? Or would it be
better to install it (of course, WITHOUT deleting the previous version) and
give it a test run when nothing's happening? You can always go back to an
earlier
rev of CT - 6.26 is available as shareware if you don't own any.
Then Len WF2V wrote:
>>Well Larry, lets see. I paid over $75 for it. I guess I am trying to
>>get my moneys worth out of it. Just like paying too much for a new car
>>and driving it until the doors fall off. You would think after 8
>>major revisions the S/W would be Bug-free? NOT!!!
NOT at all, Len. MINOR revisions usually remove bugs. MAJOR revs add them.
Software becomes bug-free (after bug fixes, of course) when
no new features are added anymore. And, as Ward N0AX pointed out, there is not
an army of beta testers that debugs every minor rev. Ken makes each available as
quickly as possible -- this is a tradeoff.
>>
>>it is useful for the small number of contests it supports, however.
Small? My version 8.31 shows 16 contests + DXpedition mode. That's almost all my
operating with exception of NAQP (which NA supports) and the RTTY contests. I
know
one of the big pushes for v9 is user-defined contests. That would end that
discussion, right?
Look, K1EA isn't paying me to write this. I just think that overall CT is a
good package which does a lot. The bottom line is still supply and demand. Write
a better one. Sorry, I'll stop flaming.
Len KB2R len@ariel.coe.neu.edu
>From Daniel R. Violette" <Daniel_R._Violette@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com Tue
>Feb 1 17:28:25 1994
From: Daniel R. Violette" <Daniel_R._Violette@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com
(Daniel R. Violette)
Subject: New Hams/Contesting
Message-ID: <9401017601.AA760123705@smtpgty.anatcp.rockwell.com>
About four years back we were getting a multi-single club effort going
for the ARRL DX SSB Contest. Since we were going to have fun and not
be a great contender and that we couldn't get a lot of SSB ops,
thought it would be nice to indoctrinate a couple Technicians who were
studying the code and interested in contest operating. Then one of
the seasoned ops said 'Look at the rules under miscellaneous rules'.
Sure enough there was a rule prohibiting operators from exceeding
there class of operator license in the contest. So it fell apart. I
talked and wrote a letter to the local CAC member stating that I
thought this rule exceeded the FCC rules where as long as a control op
is present the op could exceed his operator license (using another
station call). He agreed and said this rule was also unenforcable. I
don't have the paperwork with me here at work, but the CAC agreed and
the rule was removed for 1992 (I think it was 1992). It came back the
year later though. I am getting the correspondence together to send
in to the CAC for review again. If I am taking it too literally then
maybe the rule just needs rewording, but if it is suppose to say the
same thing as the FCC rule then why have it in there. Would have a
control op there anyway to assist the new-op. Was told that it might
have to do with an old fued between Extra and Advanced class big-gun
stations many years back on the East Coast when the Advanced class
station would set up a big multi effort with his call and Extras would
operate the station outside of the operator license priveledges for
that call (without signing '/there call'). Don't know, but would like
to get that rule removed/clarified.
73, Dan KI6X
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