please enter my vote for the inclusion of a qso serial number together with
the sig rpt
Chuck
WA2QNW
>From km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher, KM9P) Sun Aug 18 01:51:13 1996
From: km9p@contesting.com (Bill Fisher, KM9P) (Bill Fisher, KM9P)
Subject: New 160 Contest
Message-ID: <199608180051.UAA28293@paris.akorn.net>
At 04:41 PM 8/17/96 -0700, you wrote:
>4. I think Tree's right--a prototype contest is in order. It would take
>years to get the ARRL to change contest rules. To make a prototype contest
>instantly popular, I propose real prizes be awarded. It shouldn't be too
>hard to get some big-name manufacturers to belly up to the bar. As a
>little-name manufacturer, I'll open the bidding by throwing a complete $200
>set of my antenna software into the prize hopper.
I'll see your $200.00 worth of software and raise you 10 sets of
@contesting.com email aliases for the top ten scoring stations AND I will
donate plaques for the top scoring single-op in the USA and the top scoring
Multi-op in the USA.
I think we should run it the weekend after Xmas. Let's make it something
different...
1 Points on distance
2 Mults = ??? States + Countries I think
3 One night, not two. Start at 4:00pm local, end 9:00am local
4 Single op & Multi 1 TX categories only
5 Consider it sponsored by Contesting Online. I wont check logs though.
6 I know Tree will support it. Im 99% sure K8CC will. I'll bug K1EA about
it. Once you have the programs that support it, you have a contest! Maybe
Tree or Dave could write a small utility that could convert CT or other logs
to the correct scoring after the contest? Make it shareware.
7 Great prizes!
What's everyone think?
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>From wes@prysm.net (Wes Attaway) Sun Aug 18 02:05:11 1996
From: wes@prysm.net (Wes Attaway) (Wes Attaway)
Subject: Top Band: Grid Squares
Message-ID: <199608180101.UAA18404@ns2.prysm.net>
I really like the idea of using grid squares. The only problem I see with
using a "grid square distance factor" for scoring purposes is that it would
require that all participants who send in a log either do some serious hand
calculating or to use a piece of software that would do the calculations on
the fly. Most contestors, but not all participants, use dedicated contest
software. Grid squares make the most sense as the ultimate unbiased
unrestricted unchanging unpolitical geographical elements for scoring
purposes. They also make the most sense for DXCC-type purposes, but that
is another thread entirely. To get good participation with a new contest
of this type will require that thousands of contestors upgrade or get new
software. This may be a problem. How great it would be to drop all this
continent-country stuff and just go to grid squares. We wouldn't even have
to worry about whether a station was on "land" or not. That brings up an
interesting question .... we would need some way to use two-way GPS
locators to verify a station's locale, particularly if the grid square was
out in the middle of an ocean .... or some other way of independently
verifying a location.
------------ Wes Attaway (N5WA) ------------
2048 Pepper Ridge, Shreveport, LA 71115
Tel: 318-7973012 --- Fax: 318-7974972
----------- e-mail: wes@prysm.net ------------
>From kr2j@ix.netcom.com (Robert E. Naumann) Sun Aug 18 03:32:46 1996
From: kr2j@ix.netcom.com (Robert E. Naumann) (Robert E. Naumann)
Subject: Top Band: Grid Squares
Message-ID: <01BB8C83.C41474E0@dfw-tx26-21.ix.netcom.com>
>>I really like the idea of using grid squares. The only problem I see
with
using a "grid square distance factor" for scoring purposes is that it would
require that all participants who send in a log either do some serious hand
calculating or to use a piece of software that would do the calculations on
the fly. <<
I agree that grid squares are the way to go. I also happen to support the
A-Political nature of them for DXCC, but that's another story.
IMHO, there's no need to calculate the distance. Just count the grids -
same as in VHF. Now that I'm geographically disadvantaged, I think it's
high time that the East Coast guys stop having all the fun.
73 y'all,
KR2J/5
>From n4xm@iglou.com (Paul D. Schrader) Sun Aug 18 04:29:00 1996
From: n4xm@iglou.com (Paul D. Schrader) (Paul D. Schrader)
Subject: TopBand: New contest
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960817232501.29cf24d6@iglou.com>
I always put in a plug for a "time off" period (so I can sleep some).
Its hard on your health in some cases if you don't.
CW only of course.
Also has anyone considered a minimal power category--like the magic 50
watts, BUT with a reverse distance multiplier (the close in ones count
more!) to encourage all to "join in the fun". See if the "big guns" can
outdo the "little pistols". Believe it would help activity, and scoring
would be just as easy.
I personally like the high power stuff, but it might add an interesting twist.
73 Paul N4XM
At 07:07 PM 8/17/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Wow! Go away for a few hours and suddendly we have a sponsor, hundreds
>of dollars of prize money, and the weekend and times picked out!!!!!!
>
>This is great.
>
>I like the weekend after XMAS and I even like the times suggested by
>Brian. So, that is out of the way (IMHO).
>
>Exchange - RST and first two letters of Grid Square (right?).
>
>Mode: CW Only (of course).
>
>Power: 1500 watts out max (of course).
>
>Logs must be submitted on disk to KM9P. I will write a utility to
>compute QSO points if the program used for the contest doesn't
>support the contest (this is easy).
>
>Soooo, it seems the last thing to figure out is the scoring: QSO Points
>and multipliers.
>
>It seems that eliminating country multipliers helps equalize things,
>so I vote for that. I would rather not have QSO point values up in
>the thousands!! How about a minimum of 1 QSO point, then another
>QSO point for each additional 500 KM? So, 499 KM would be 1 point,
>501 KM would be two points. 1000 KM would be 3 points and so on.
>
>A "typical" QSO between W1 land and the west coast would then be
>worth 9 or 10 QSO points. A QSO between N6TR (CN) and JA1AA (PM)
>would be worth 16 points. N6TR to OK2FD (JN) is 18 points and
>A W1 in Mass (FN) to OK2FD is 13 points. N6TR to VK3 (QF) is 27
>points.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Tree
>
>
>From k7ss@wolfenet.com (Danny Eskenazi) Sun Aug 18 04:45:57 1996
From: k7ss@wolfenet.com (Danny Eskenazi) (Danny Eskenazi)
Subject: New 160 Contest
Message-ID: <199608180345.UAA19666@wolfe.net>
GREAT!!! Its about time..
I think it might be called:
"The Great One Hundred SIxty Meter Distance Test"
or "The 160 Relay-Race" or ??????
I love playing with names, in fact have just started a business that does
just that.... lots of names already tagged......proudest of the "World
Radiosport
Team Championship" name so far.
Will offer our naming services for picking a name if u like..
Look for "NameGame" on a website near you very soon.
We are pros, and would love to kick in with some help.
I can also make T shirts, if we want for the top 160 finishers? maybe can do
em at cost....and offer them at around 5 bucks...or maybe find a sponser
to pick it up
73 de Danny K7SS
it takes forever to get the big sluggish sponsers to make changes....take
the bull by the horns!
08:51 PM 8/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 04:41 PM 8/17/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>4. I think Tree's right--a prototype contest is in order. It would take
>>years to get the ARRL to change contest rules. To make a prototype contest
>>instantly popular, I propose real prizes be awarded. It shouldn't be too
>>hard to get some big-name manufacturers to belly up to the bar. As a
>>little-name manufacturer, I'll open the bidding by throwing a complete $200
>>set of my antenna software into the prize hopper.
>
>I'll see your $200.00 worth of software and raise you 10 sets of
>@contesting.com email aliases for the top ten scoring stations AND I will
>donate plaques for the top scoring single-op in the USA and the top scoring
>Multi-op in the USA.
>
>I think we should run it the weekend after Xmas. Let's make it something
>different...
>
>1 Points on distance
>2 Mults = ??? States + Countries I think
>3 One night, not two. Start at 4:00pm local, end 9:00am local
>4 Single op & Multi 1 TX categories only
>5 Consider it sponsored by Contesting Online. I wont check logs though.
>6 I know Tree will support it. Im 99% sure K8CC will. I'll bug K1EA about
>it. Once you have the programs that support it, you have a contest! Maybe
>Tree or Dave could write a small utility that could convert CT or other logs
>to the correct scoring after the contest? Make it shareware.
>7 Great prizes!
>
>What's everyone think?
>
>
>
>
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>From wes@prysm.net (Wes Attaway) Sun Aug 18 04:59:50 1996
From: wes@prysm.net (Wes Attaway) (Wes Attaway)
Subject: Topband: New contest
Message-ID: <199608180359.WAA22540@ns2.prysm.net>
I like Brian's idea of scoring QSOs simply by the number of KMs between the
center of the respective grid squares. Pretty simple, and as he says,
"real DX" will really add a lot of points ....I didn't think about using a
conversion program to do the scoring after the contest, but that would
certainly ease the difficulty of the transition to grid square scoring. CW
only? .... YES!
--------------- Wes Attaway (N5WA) ----------------
2048 Pepper Ridge, Shreveport, LA 71115
318-7973012 (Office); 797-4972 (Fax)
------------------- wes@prysm.net ----------------------
>From k6sti@n2.net (Brian Beezley) Sun Aug 18 05:03:30 1996
From: k6sti@n2.net (Brian Beezley) (Brian Beezley)
Subject: TopBand: New contest
Message-ID: <199608180403.VAA16597@ravel.n2.net>
N6TR:
>Exchange - RST and first two letters of Grid Square (right?).
K6STI:
Why not forget RST altogether?
The first two letters of a grid square is called the field. According to
the grid-square map on p. 30.60 of the 1996 ARRL Handbook, there are only
five major fields in the USA, with small portions of others scattered at the
edges of the country. Using fields makes a QSO from Lubbock TX (DM) to
Dallas TX (EM) count the same as one from Reno NV (DM) to Jacksonville FL
(EM). I think this is a bit inequitable.
I vote for four-character grid squares, just like on VHF. The trailing
digits will separate the men from the boys on those long 160m fades.
Brian Beezley, K6STI
k6sti@n2.net
>From k6sti@n2.net (Brian Beezley) Sun Aug 18 05:12:04 1996
From: k6sti@n2.net (Brian Beezley) (Brian Beezley)
Subject: New 160 Contest
Message-ID: <199608180412.VAA16985@ravel.n2.net>
K7SS:
>GREAT!!! Its about time..
>I think it might be called:
>
>"The Great One Hundred SIxty Meter Distance Test"
>
>or "The 160 Relay-Race" or ??????
>
K6STI:
I, too, think it should have the word "distance" in it, since that's the
whole idea. How about something like
"Topband Distance Challenge"
"Topband Distance Contest"
"Topband Distance Competition"
Brian Beezley, K6STI
k6sti@n2.net
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