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Re: [CQ-Contest] Move to disband MAR section in Canada (for contesting)

To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>, CQ-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Move to disband MAR section in Canada (for contesting)
From: <ve9aa@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:16:30 -0300
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Ron, 
We're NOT special-that's my point exactly.  We are SEPARATE PROVINCES.
Tell me what US STATES are lumped together as a single multiplier?
NONE, that's how many.

Mike VE9AA (NB)
---- Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> wrote: 
> So your argument is, for those contest that use ARRL/RAC sections for 
> multipliers, you do NOT want to use the MAR section designation, but your 
> provinces.
>  
> Because some contests use the individual provinces as multipliers, therefore 
> all should, even though the Maritime section contains multiple provinces.
>  
> And one of the justifications for this is that the Ontario SECTION was split 
> into 4 sections.  
>  
> Sorry.  Your logic fails.  (IMHO)
>  
> Look, if you want to administratively split up the MAR section into separate 
> sections for each province, and can convince the RAC of that, go for it.  I'm 
> all for it.  And that would give you those extra multipliers by default.
>  
> But otherwise, it just doesn't make sense.  How would you write the rule?
> "4.  Multipliers.  ARRL or RAC Sections.
> 4a.  Except for the Maritime section.  They're special. "
> 
> Sorry.  Just can't see it.
>  
> 73, ron w3wn
>  
> On 10/30/14, Mike & Coreen Smith VE9AA wrote:
> 
> The following is from Al, VA1MM but I 100% support him. See my own (VE9AA)
> comments below his:
> 
> 
> 
> VA1MM:
> 
> 
> 
> A group of us contesters here in the "MAR" section feel the time has come to
> announce the end of the MAR section in not only ARRL contests but all
> contests. When our Department of Communications (now Industry Canada)
> granted us separate prefixes for New Brunswick (VE9), Nova Scotia (VE1) and
> Prince Edward Island (VY2), they recognized they we were distinct Provinces
> with enough Amateur Radio operators to support a distinct call sign. And as
> multipliers go, why wouldn't you want to have three new districts to work
> when multiplied by six bands you have a substantial increase in your scores.
> 
> 
> 
> We have tried to weigh the pros and cons, the only con would be the contest
> software not keeping up with the change or the operator not downloading the
> newest version, but do we wait forever? Ontario (VE3) lead the way with
> their divisional split, now it's time for the Maritimes to be recognized as
> NS, NB and PEI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank-you, Al VA1MM/ VE1AWP (NS) Maritime Contest Club Member
> 
> -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
> 
> VE9AA, Mike says:
> 
> 
> 
> I've been moaning and groaning about this very thing for years and years.
> SOME ARRL contests force us to send MAR (a very antiquated section) and some
> permit us to send NB, NS and PEI (the provinces where we are)
> 
> Meanwhile, places like Ontario recently get 4 (count them) FOUR sections?
> What the??? Do we not exist out here or what????
> 
> What if we were to combine RI, DE and ME? Who in W1 would go for that
> section>? \RIDEME\
> 
> 
> 
> Prior to 1993, all NB, NS and PEI's were VE1's...*BUT*, News Flash> In 1993
> us "VE1's" all got NEW distinct callsign prefixes
> 
> ie: NB=VE9, NS=VE1 and PEI=VY2...there are very few left that kept their
> original VE1 calls in NB or PEI. (the NS guys got to keep their VE1's)...
> 
> We are distinct provinces, (have been for eons.) just as Maine, Rhode Island
> and Delaware are. Maybe it made sense in the old days or whatever to have
> us as one section as there are fewer hams here (and we were all VE1's) , but
> I think you'll see as a fellow member of MCC also, that we are well
> represented these days. As a point of interest, there are so many VE1's that
> they also have a VA1 prefix to choose from. If it's based on activity (I
> know it's not) there are certainly ARRL and RAC sections with less activity
> than NB, NS and PEI.
> 
> Even in the RAC contests we send "NB,NS and PE" so saying you "follow RAC"
> does not hold water, nor does it even make sense 2+ decades later.
> 
> 
> 
> I normally try to boycott most contests that force us to send "MAR" as a
> silent protest. Probably nobody notices but there are others like me out
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> Get with the times ARRL, CQP and a very select few others.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know who's attention we need to get, but help us out. Rattle some
> chains. Send emails to those you know,
> 
> "RAC" is not contest oriented. Why we have to follow that structure (but
> only for some contests) is beyond me !?!?
> 
> 
> 
> Respectfully, 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike VE9AA (proudly in NB)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike, Coreen & Corey
> 
> Keswick Ridge, NB
> 
> 
> 
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