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Re: [CQ-Contest] Fwd: WRTC 18 Qualifying

To: "Igor Sokolov" <ua9cdc@gmail.com>, "David Siddall" <hhamwv@gmail.com>, wrtc2018@lists.wrtc2018.de, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fwd: WRTC 18 Qualifying
From: steve.root@culligan4water.com
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:19:26 +0000
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"3000 QSO in 24 hours in RDXC is not uncommon from almost anywhere."

Let me tell you about Minnesota sometime :)

73 Steve K0SR

-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Sokolov [mailto:ua9cdc@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 12:12 AM
To: 'David Siddall', wrtc2018@lists.wrtc2018.de, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Fwd: WRTC 18 Qualifying

Dave,Can you support your statement regarding the number of participants in 
RDXC, IARU and WPX with solid figures?ARRL, that was part of 2014 WRTYC 
selection, for me is truly regional contest where unlike RDXC we can only work 
US and VE and therefore pretty dull from areas where propagation to NA last 
only few hours. In RDXC you can work any one anywhere wich does not fit the 
discription of a regional contest but rather WW contest.I have done ARRL couple 
of times from the very well equipped setup with multiple stacks to only make 
500-600 QSOs in 48 hours while 3000 QSO in 24 hours in RDXC is not uncommon 
from almost anywhere.73, Igor UA9CDC> Thanks for your thoughts. As I noted WAE 
& RDXC were elevated ABOVE CQWPX> and IARU. RDXC & WAE certainly are enjoyed by 
many, they are fun> contests, but they do not draw numbers of competitors with 
worldwide> distribution equivalent to CQWPX & IARU. Do we really need social> 
engineering to push competitors into this or that contest and 
 tell us what> we "should" like? The numbers demonstrate the rankings for what 
we *do*> like as a group, rather than individual preferences.>> 73, Dave 
K3ZJ>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Mats Strandberg  wrote:>>> Dave,>>>> 
While I do argue with the 2018 organizers on the Assistsd/Non Assisted>> issue, 
I fully support the decision to elevate WAE and RDXC to the same>> level and 
CQWW and CQ WPX.>>>> Why?>>>> Simply becuase those two contests are globally 
considered much bigger >> than>> they are in some continents..I do consider the 
CQ contests superb and >> they>> will forever remain as two of my favourite Top 
Five contests. However,>> without question, WAE and RDXC have in late years 
become even more fun to>> participate in - and this not only to Europeans and 
Russians. They are >> now>> by me and many others considered at same popularity 
level as the CQ>> contests.>>>> RDXC is not a regional contest. It is a 
Worldwide contest where Russians>> compete separately and th
 e rest in a worldwide group. Working DX stations>> is heavily stimulated by 
different points compared to working stations >> from>> the same continent. The 
log checking and penalties system requires better>> operator skills compared to 
some other contests where the contest echange>> is more or less given. In RDXC, 
you nned to make sure you receive both >> the>> other stations's callsign and 
exchange correctly. Moreover, you must>> moderate your speed in a way that 
ensures that the other station also >> gets>> your call and exchange correctly. 
If not, penalties for both of you. I >> know>> this has caused some US 
frustration, but in my honest opinion, this >> develop>> and stimulate true 
operator skills rather than skills of relying on the>> database of the log 
program.>>>> WAE used to be a contest I did not pay attention to because of 
QTCs. They>> bothered me because I did not feel I was control of them. It was a 
new >> way>> of contesting and I was against and did not work 
 WAE for many years. Then >> I>> gradualy started working it with pleasure but 
always avoiding exhange of>> the "troublesome" QTCs. One day I decided to open 
my eyes and challenge>> myself to try echanging QTCs. From that day I got 
stuck! The skill-set>> needed to work WAE in full extent by exchanging QTCs is 
different from>> normal contesting and the operator that masters that 
additional >> complexity>> of WAE should definitely receive the same credits as 
the one that runs >> 300+>> rates exchanging predictable zones in a CQWW.>>>> 
It is time for Americans to finally explore RDXC and WAE in a serious way>> and 
with 1000 points value, be sure the bands will be boiling also in >> North>> 
America those weekends. Run rates in RDXC are excellent for any station>> 
participating - for sure not only for Russians. Particpate and enjoy>> instead 
of maintaining a prejudiced opinion about these two great events!>>>> 73 de 
Mats RM2D (SM6LRR)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-12-02 23:15 GMT+03:00 Dav
 id Siddall :>>>>> The difference in rules between WRTC2014 and WRTC2018 that 
struck me was>>> that the prior emphasis on worldwide contests while 
accommodating the>>> major>>> regionals was abandoned.>>>>>> For WRTC2014, only 
CQWW received full 1000 value, with CQWPX at 950 and>>> IARU at 900. Major 
regional contests such as ARRL, Russian, WAE, AA >>> were>>> 900 or less. But 
for WRTC2018, instead of elevating the truly worldwide>>> contests -- CQWPX & 
IARU -- the organizers instead emphasize European>>> regional contests -- WAE 
and Russian -- both of which now get the top >>> 1000>>> value.>>>>>> This is a 
step backward from promoting worldwide competition. It >>> elevates>>> two 
Euro-centric competitions with less participation above the more>>> popular 
worldwide contests as well as above the other major regionals >>> such>>> as 
ARRL and AA. Having lived in areas of the world where propagation>>> doesn't 
support full time efforts in the regionals (whether or not one >>> ca
 n>>> "work anyone" but for fewer points/mults), I appreciate the truly>>> 
worldwide>>> competitions that we have. It says something that these rose to 
the top>>> in>>> popularity in the free marketplace of contests.>>>>>> Just my 
observation.>>>>>> 73, Dave K3ZJ>>> 
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