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Re: [CQ-Contest] All the Assisted ops, where do they all come from?

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] All the Assisted ops, where do they all come from?
From: Mike Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 14:58:50 +0000 (UTC)
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Ray; 

You bring up a good point, but let's look at this like a lawyer ;-).... 

Now, I'm NOT a lawyer, but using the "guy on Samoa" as the analogy I raise a 
question; would the KH8 likely get more QSOs in a contest if he was spotted, 
(which, BTW, uses the internet), or without being spotted? As a contester you 
already know the answer to that one! Whether he intended to or not, he is 
benefiting from the internet based spots, and will most certainly receive more 
QSOs than an equivalent station that is NOT spotted. I don't see how one can 
argue against that one! There is certainly no intent to benefit from the spots 
(he didn't ask to be spotted"), but he received a benefit just the same. 

Of course there is no way to control whether or not a station is spotted, 
especially on CW or RTTY with the robots listening in. I'm not sure there is an 
answer, except perhaps banning Unassisted operators from running, keeping them 
as S&P only. 

Just some dialog on the subject..... Any lawyers that can weigh in on this? ;-) 

73; 
Mike 
W7VO 





----- Original Message -----

From: "Raymond Benny" <rayn6vr@gmail.com> 
To: "Mike Ritz" <w7vo@comcast.net> 
Cc: "Contest List" <cq-contest@contesting.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 11:51:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] All the Assisted ops, where do they all come from? 

Let's get real guys, 

The single op unassisted category says that no external means (internet, RF or 
whatever) can be used to assist in making a QSO. Just because someone else 
spots you has nothing to do with you being assisted. 

Consider if a lonely Samoan native ham, running a simple rig into a small 
dipole wants to make some contacts in a DX contest. Since he is rare DX, and 
even if he didn't call CQ, he would get spotted in a flash. Would you really 
then consider him assisted? . 

The thought that since he made some QSOs by others calling him, since he was 
spotted, is a long stretch saying that he is now in the assisted category... 

My 2 cents. 

Ray, 
N6VR 

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Mike Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net > wrote: 


You bring up a great point, Ken! I had never thought of it that way, and you 
are right. The only way an unassisted station can say he is truly unassisted is 
to not be spotted by another operator, or by a robot. I guess one needs to 
clarify the rules that unassisted stations cannot run, they must stick with 
strictly S&P. Makes sense to me! 

73; 
Mike 
W7VO 



----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Ktfrog007--- via CQ-Contest" < cq-contest@contesting.com > 
To: cq-contest@contesting.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:24:26 PM 
Subject: [CQ-Contest] All the Assisted ops, where do they all come from? 




The common definition of Assistance refers to single operators who use 
cluster spots, run their own skimmers or get some kind of outside help to find 
stations. On CW and RTTY the spots are now gathered by skimmer robots 
which efficiently skim up almost everything. On phone they are generated 
manually by humans so there are fewer spots, but all the big running stations 
and other significant stations get spotted. 

This Assistance is just one side of the coin, however. The other side is 
the running stations who get spotted. They count on being spotted to 
generate those huge runs and scores and if they claim to be Unassisted they are 
not being honest. These operators are also Assisted. 

The only truly Unassisted stations are those single operators doing only 
traditional S&P. These are often small operations and certainly do not 
include the big, famous winning stations that dominate the competitions. 

Given these definitions, the majority of single operator stations are 
Assisted which is why the two categories are converging, like it or not, and 
why Unassisted should be eliminated 

73, 
Ken, AB1J 




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