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Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest simulation using RBN archives

To: Matt Murphy <matt@nq6n.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Contest simulation using RBN archives
From: Jukka Klemola <jpklemola@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:07:47 +0300
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Big energy, wide bandwidth noise sources are not in RBN data.
They will have some effect in evaluating the results with RBN + solardata +
logs.

For SSB contests, you can use RBN data there is; beacons, non-contest
CW+RTTY; in addition to logs alone.


I think there is a cool possibility for next level propagation analysis
that potentially leads to development in propagation predictions.


In case you have database skills for this .. please keep on doing !


73,
Jukka OH6LI




2016-06-21 2:36 GMT+03:00 Matt Murphy <matt@nq6n.com>:

> I've been wanting to build something like this.  I'd been thinking of a
> simulator that utilized VOCAP data to convolve a sine wave so that it
> sounded like it had been transmitted from some distant (virtual) lat/long,
> with appropriate amplitude, flutter, noise, etc.
>
> It would be interesting to create models of atmospheric noise, etc. and
> test how similar it seemed to actual conditions.
>
> I hadn't thought of plugging in RBN historical data to populate the
> simulation with realistic data.  That is an intriguing idea!
>
>
> 73,
> Matt NQ6N
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Jukka Klemola <jpklemola@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dez,
>> Depends what you want to do.
>>
>> RBN data is one source.
>> Mirroring that with solar data takes you further.
>>
>> The CQ contest logs are public and you can run a next level simulation
>> with
>> stations that really were on the bands during a contest.
>>
>> Many logs show accurate frequencies, so you can estimate pretty well who
>> would answer your CQ if you would place yourself on a frequency with a
>> setup of equipment at a location in a contest ..
>>
>>
>> You are probably getting close to the feature set we saw in 1980's, a C64
>> game Doctor DX.
>> With Doctor DX you could set SFI and K indexes if I recall right. Band
>> conditions were reflected with sunrise / set phenomena.
>> It was an awesome game to play.
>>
>>
>> Maybe you target in something like that, with today's computers.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Jukka OH6LI
>>
>> 2016-06-20 15:53 GMT+03:00 Dez Watson <g3ww.dez@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > There are tools out there to analyse archived RBN data, ViewProp is one
>> > such program which springs to mind.
>> >
>> > This is great for analysing propagation and planning contest strategies
>> > using real data.
>> >
>> > What I'd really like to do is use RBN archived data to simulate a telnet
>> > feed into my contest logger's bandmap.
>> >
>> > In essence, I want to simulate a contest using archived data to
>> > experiment  with band changes and alternative
>> >
>> > strategies, retrospectively.
>> >
>> > The RBN raw data is in the .csv format so I'm well aware I can view the
>> > data in say Excel or Access so could do
>> >
>> > this manually but really want to simulate an archived RBN feed to my
>> > logger's bandmap.
>> >
>> >
>> > Any thoughts or suggestions?!
>> >
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > Dez, G3WW / M6W
>> >
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