My point was Spot. Agree on your points.
YT is very rare outside of NA. Yet, one manual spot during ARRL DX.CW.
Gerry W1VE
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Barry Merrill <w5gn@mxg.com> wrote:
> What is the value of a VY1 spot FROM TEXAS in a contest
> in which YOU CAN'T WORK TEXAS?
>
> Don't you think DX stations in ARRL DX would filter any
> spots FROM the USA or CANADA, since they are not even
> useful for propagation information, let alone a Q.
>
>
>
> Barry, W5GN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> Gerry Hull
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 8:54 AM
> To: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>; CQ-Contest
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spotting - not
>
> Agree on all, Ron, 100%
>
> We, as the "OTs", must teach new contesters SKILZ (as they call them).
>
> As I see it, RBN is "easy", so why not use it? This is what is happening
> to
> contesting.
>
> I was very frustrated, and have been in the past, operating from rare
> VY1AAA. Our team lit up the USA Skimmers like wild fire -- Lots of KBs, 73
> and 599s sent from US stations we could not work in the contest. Yet, NONE
> of them spotted us. Remember, spotting is for the benefit of all.
> Certainly, you are not hurting yourself if you spot VY1AAA, since we are
> not competing in the same category.
>
> As a believer in RBN, I still tuned the band a lot this weekend, and worked
> many 229 Euro mults which I ONLY found by actually tuning the dial.
>
> All methods are important.
>
> 73, Gerry W1VE
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > My guys & I found quite a few stations that the N1MM bandpass map
> > wasn't showing and that were not popping up on VE7CC. Especially on
> > Sunday afternoon.
> >
> > RBN may be here to stay, and for those operating Assisted/Unlimited or
> > Multi-Op stations, it is certainly has a benefit.
> >
> > But with all due respect, no one should rely too heavily on the
> technology.
> > If you do, you risk missing out on stations (and mults) that aren't,
> > for any of a number of reasons, been detected (or at least, yet)
> >
> > 73, ron w3wn
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf
> > Of Matt Murphy
> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 9:41 PM
> > To: CQ-Contest; Edward Sawyer; w1ve@yccc.org
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Spotting - not
> >
> > I think RBN was very bogged down on Saturday night. Spots were taking
> > 30+ minutes to appear.
> >
> > 73,
> > Matt NQ6N
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 8:20 PM Gerry Hull <gerry@yccc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > KE1J was very active from K2LE in Vermont.
> > >
> > > In CW contesting, the need to spot has virtually been eliminated by
> > > the RBN.
> > >
> > > In fact, if you are not looking at RBN spots, you are at a
> disadvantage.
> > >
> > > This has a detrimental effect on SSB, as it is not automated.
> > >
> > > However, for Assisted operating in the real world, RBN is here to stay.
> > >
> > > RBN hurt us at VY1AAA, as we were not manually spotted much, and
> > > prop, especially in Europe, was not so hot, so we were not picked up by
> RBN.
> > >
> > > The is game in CW contesting now.
> > >
> > > 73, Gerry W1VE
> > > One of the VY1AAA Gang
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Ed Sawyer <sawyered@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Apparently, no one wants to spot any more. They think that
> > > > everyone is using skimmer so what's the point? I decided to make
> > > > some notes this
> > > time
> > > > in ARRL DX.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - When did I start CQing on 80, 40, 20, 15?
> > > >
> > > > - When did I get spotted?
> > > >
> > > > - Did I notice any big burst of calls?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I compared those notes with a look at the DX Summit to see how the
> > > > spots compared.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that I was likely the ONLY Vermont station CQing for
> > > > many if not most of the time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I found that in MANY cases - I was running for more than an hour,
> > > > in some cases, close to 2 hours! Before being spotted. Worked 100
> > > > -
> > > > 300 stations before being spotted.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also had a very direct correlation of a noticeable burst of
> > > > activity
> > > when
> > > > spotted. That means that there was a noticeable group of people
> > > > not
> > > using
> > > > skimmer that were assisted. Why don't those people spot?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you run assisted, what is your comment?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 73
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed N1UR
> > > >
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