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[CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation

To: "'W0MU Mike Fatchett'" <w0mu@w0mu.com>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs - killing Inovation
From: "Helmut Mueller" <helmut@photo42.de>
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:36:34 +0100
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Hi Guys.

These "new" techniques are just the evolution of contest, deal with it!

There are different contests out there who have different rules and smart 
people REALLY understand the rules and apply every effort that is allowed by 
the rules! This is called contesting art or INOVATION!

You want to make all contests the same? Keep whining! 

Centurys ago someone came up with stacked antennas: I bet there were people 
moaning about this.
Centurys ago someone came up with computer logging and keying: I bet there were 
people moaning about this.
Centurys ago someone came up with SO2R: People were moaning about this.
There are many more examples like this ... now we have SO2RUN or Interleave 
QSOs!

I call this innovation! It is fantastic!

This is from the PJ2T website:

Dedicated to fun, international friendship, and advancement of the contesting 
art through superior operating technique and maximum application of technology

Could not say it any better!

73

  Helmut DF7ZS

df7zs.de

 




-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] Im Auftrag von W0MU 
Mike Fatchett
Gesendet: Wednesday, 15 March, 2017 04:50 AM
An: cq-contest@contesting.com
Betreff: Re: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More 
Frequencies in the Same Band

If you agree that the rules need to be changed,  you need to make your ARRL 
Division Directors aware of your feelings.  I believe there is a meeting coming 
up soon and I believe that this item can be taken up at that time.

Alternating CQ's on different bands is pretty common on RTTY.  I think that 
this practice should be allowed and monitored to make sure that stations are 
adhering to the one transmitted signal at a time for Single ops.

I can only image the situation where we have a wall of stations at
14.150 going up and 14.347 going down for alternating cq's. Add in EU and the 
Caribbean and we have a big mess.

W0MU


On 3/14/2017 5:08 PM, Dick Green WC1M wrote:
> I strongly support Frank's proposal, but the prohibition should apply to 
> Single Ops, too, as it does in CQ WW.
>
> I realize that multi-op stations are more likely to be equipped to do 
> alternating CQs on the same band (A and B radios with two ops on each band, 
> multiple antennas per band with good isolation), but it certainly can be done 
> in an SO2R station. If only one band is open enough to run, then the impact 
> on the spectrum is the same.
>
> Is there a compelling reason to allow Single Ops to do alternating CQs on the 
> same band?
>   
> Actually, I think a case could be made for banning alternating CQs 
> altogether. I'd regret that because I've sometimes used it as a Single Op to 
> boost rate or fight boredom, but it definitely does use up more spectrum. If 
> only two bands are open in a big contest, that spectrum is likely to be very 
> limited. What if a rare mult running low power can't find a place to CQ 
> because the alternating CQers are taking up more than their share of space? 
> What about the impact on non-contesters?
>
> 73. Dick WC1M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: donovanf@starpower.net [mailto:donovanf@starpower.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:01 PM
> To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Prohibiting Interleaved CQs on Two or More 
> Frequencies in the Same Band
>
>
> I recommend that alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band 
> be prohibited immediately in all ARRL HF contests, exactly as it is now 
> prohibited in all CQ WW DX Contests and for multi-operators in the IARU HF 
> Championship.
>
> The reason for my recommendation is that the recent success of the 
> PJ4G team in CQing on alternate frequencies on the same band (both on 
> 20 and 15 meters) in the recent ARRL SSB DX Contest will inevitably be 
> applied -- very soon -- by other multi-operator competitors in future 
> ARRL contests. Unfortunately this will be to the very considerable 
> detriment of other HF spectrum users
> -- both contesters and non-contesters -- because of the very limited 
> available spectrum on every HF band below 28 MHz.
>
> The obvious course of action is to simply apply existing IARU HF Championship 
> rule 4.3.2.1 to all multi-operator categories in all ARRL HF contests.
>
> 4.3.2.1. Alternating CQs on two or more frequencies on the same band is not 
> permitted.
>
> http://www.arrl.org/iaru-hf-championship
>
> A CAC sub-committee is currently engaged in a Rules Consolidation Project to 
> consolidate “The General Rules of all ARRL Contests”
> “The General Rules for all ARRL contests Below 30 MHz” and individual contest 
> rules into a single rule set for each of the ARRL HF Contests.
>
> In addition to the consolidation of the rules structure, the ARRL Programs 
> and Services Committee (PSC) asked the team to develop any accompanying 
> commentary they choose as to areas where the perceive that the rules might 
> benefit from revision and, where appropriate, to suggest revised language.
>
> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/About%20ARRL/Committee%20Reports/2016/J
> uly/Doc_24_0716.pdf
>
> While the CAC's role is solely to respond to projects and issues assigned by 
> the ARRL Programs and Services Committee; the CAC chairman can recommend 
> future CAC projects and issues to the PSC.
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
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