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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self-spotting explanation from CQWW blog

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self-spotting explanation from CQWW blog
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:51:32 -0600
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While it is easy to blame the technology for many of the problems in contesting. Spotting can be a contributing factor to many of the problems we are seeing but education or lack of education and training of the players is the root problem. We have more people playing than ever before.

Jim Wrote:

"From my limited perspective, these are my observations of what packet, spotting, skimmers have added to our beloved hobby:

1) diminished operating skills

2) stations don't know the call of the station they're calling

3) stations can't copy calls

4) stations don't know how to find DX

5) stations don't know the best way to break a pile-up, often leading to incessant calling

6) stations bust the call, and spot this busted call - leading to DUPES for the DX station, forcing the DX station to QSY

7) RBN is so efficient, it puts all the callers zero beat with one another - and they don't know it (see 5, above)"

Everything in this list learned. How to break pileups, how to find dx, when to look and where and why. This list of issues were a thing in the 70's and 80's except for the packet and RBN. Has that much really changed?

The technology didn't do any of this. The RBN, Clusters or skimmers are not teaching new people. Who is? I am sure I did some really stupid things as a 14 year old contester. Didn't we all when we started out? I bet most of us had some pretty good teachers around. How about my list of contesting elmers; W0UN(SK), K0RF, W0UA, N2IC, WB0IWL(SK), W0CP, and many many many others in Colorado. Do new people have access to resources like that? Do they even know where to look for help? Is it obvious to new or not so new contesters where to get help?

I operated from V47 in the 80's and experienced the worst pileup behavior attempting to work EU. The exact same things that happened then still happen today. Packet had little influence on those pileups. The spotting pileups are much bigger because we have more people in the contests. I operated from V3 recently and people still call constantly in pileups, it just is not from one main country anymore. That bad behavior spread.

Have we done enough to get the masses trained up as good contesters? It would seem that we have not done a great job with this, especially with those that just participating and trying to have fun. How can we the Contesting University or something like it to all contesters? Can we use the internet more effectively to combat some of these issues above? There does not seem to be one central depository for everything contesting. Would such a thing help?

Lets not forgot the positives that have also come with these technologies.

Pointing out problems is the easy part.  How about some solutions?

W0MU







On 4/19/2017 11:56 AM, Jeff Clarke wrote:
I've been a ham for a long time and most of you around my age can relate to 
what I'm going to say.

Remember back when the operator had no outside assistance in a contest or 
chasing DX? You had to tune the bands to find out where a band was open to or 
find a DX station. I remember years ago reading articles by W9KNI about chasing 
DX. What he wrote back then isn't even relevant in today's world. The 
technology has taken that away. No need to understand anything about 
propagation or even tune the bands (the hunt) because all you need to do today 
is fire up the internet and point and click. That doesn't feel real challenging 
to me.

Think of the negative consequences that spotting has on contesting and DXing . 
Sure maybe it's convenient to click on a spot to work a station without having 
to tune around the bands. But how can someone feel a sense of accomplishment 
compared to when you do something on your own?  It almost seems like catching 
fish in a barrel.

Something I've observed over the past several years is that stations in rare 
countries don't even bother to get on in  DX contest anymore because of the 
unruly pileups that occur when they are spotted. Remember all the rare African 
stations you could work in the afternoon on 20 meters? They now seem to be 
fewer in number.

Unfortunately spotting has changed contesting forever and there is no easy fix 
to the problems that It causes. Plus it's not going away. It takes longer to 
have the results published by CQ because of all the detective work they have to 
do to expose cheaters. It's amazing to me they can do this with volunteers (BTW 
who probably have real jobs too) and have them out within a year.

I'm afraid that the CQWW rules are starting to become too​ restrictive . What's 
coming next? In the future are you going have to preregister your planned category?  
Maybe the rules on spotting should be relaxed as many have suggested.  It will level 
the playing field for everyone when it comes to spotting.

This is all becoming too complicated. Like K1AR said contesting is supposed to 
be FUN. How are we supposed to recruit newbies into our passion for contesting? 
For someone new to contesting to read the commentary on this reflector why 
bother? It's just to much of a hassle to do things like recording our contest 
activity.

Jeff

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