Actually I do believe that a vast majority of people are happy keeping
people away from contesting. They like things the way they are and
cannot handle change. I deal with it on a daily basis in another ham
radio group. There are those that are set in stone that they did
something one way, by go every other person must do the same, and we
continue to lose interest everyday and the group gets older and older
and they essentially want nothing to do with changing to bring in new
younger people.
Sorry for the delayed response I was away on business.
I am all for trying to get the cheaters with the lease amount of
intrusion possible. The problem is that the most prolific forms of
cheating are swept under the rug.
W0MU
On 1/29/2018 6:35 AM, Kelly Taylor wrote:
On balance, I find audio recording to be an inexact, ineffective and largely
bureaucratic solution in search of a problem. It is an enforcement tool with so
many easy workarounds, that misses arguably more-prevalent forms of cheating
and can render moot otherwise valid operations.
If you think cheating is a massive problem more important than making contesting attractive
to all, I don’t know how to help you. And no, not everyone lives in mortal fear of
being beat by a cheater. But even if you do, wouldn’t you want the enforcement to be
effective?
Most of these whinefests about cheating only say one thing to prospective
newbies: stick to videogaming.
Is that what we want? Throw the baby out with the bathwater?
73, kelly, ve4xt
On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Maarten van R <pd2r.maarten@gmail.com> wrote:
With the current SDR’s like the Flex radio’s, the “point & click” tuning
probably doesn’t sound any different then clicking spots on the cluster.
73, Maarten PD2R
Op ma 29 jan. 2018 om 04:21 schreef Ria Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>
I think the value of recordings is more to determine whether
unassisted ops are using unclaimed assistance. If someone is tuning
they would sound differently than if they were using spots and jumping
around. It's hard to detect this with an SDR recording.
Ria
N2RJ
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:22 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com> wrote:
What exactly would a recording of what you received proved? That they
moved
into your spot? It does not prove anything else. I suspect you are
trying
to say they were listening on an SDR which may or may not be true. How
could you prove it. Later it turns out that maybe it was conditions?
This is where things get really dicey.
Taking over someones spot is part of the game like it or not. I watched
numerous time where East coast stations continued to creep in on me from
both sides. Not much I can do.
W0MU
On 1/28/2018 9:27 AM, Tom Haavisto wrote:
I see there is a (continuing) controversy about contest recording. My
understanding is the for the CQWW at least, the contest is recorded from
several locations around the world by SDR receivers and then shipped to
the
contest committee.
I was very much in the camp of “Well – if the contest committee wants to
hear what happened on the air, they have the time, date and frequency,
as
well as a recording if they want to hear what happened." Until last
night
in the CQ 160 contest, and no, I did not record it.
A few times, someone got pretty close to me, and in one case, started
CQing
right on top of me. Fair disclosure – I run a KW into a full size
vertical,
and these guys were LOUD. A few times, I even checked the amp and the
wattmeter to make sure things were working, and I was starting to
seriously
wonder about a few folks... Once, twice... OK, something odd is going
on... A few times when I reverted to S&P, I called a few loud guys,
and
it took them several tries for them to pull out my call. This was not
normal.
As we all know, 160 is an interesting band and still pulls up a few
surprises now and then. This being the latest example. An SDR would
not
have captured what I experienced - the only way to capture this would
be a
personal recording.
Just food for thought.
Tom - VE3CX
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