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Re: [CQ-Contest] RES: Modern Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) from 2020 to 2055

To: "py5eg" <py5eg@iesa.com.br>, <donovanf@starpower.net>, "cq-contest" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] RES: Modern Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) from 2020 to 2055?
From: "Bob Shohet, KQ2M" <kq2m@kq2m.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:21:53 -0400
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
Without have read the entire article (it was extremely long and extremely 
detailed), there are a few things that clearly should be taken into account 
before accepting their prediction as “Gospel”:

1) They are making complex theoretical arguments that may well be correct, but 
could be equally incorrect for any number of reasons, including new information 
not yet discovered that could invalidate their conclusions and that augur for a 
different outcome.  (Just think about all the disagreements that research 
institutes have had over the current Cycle 24!)

2) The sample size they are basing this on is ONE, or in statistics, N=1.  One 
Maunder Minimum in “modern times” where it is impossible to know just how 
accurate the sunspot counts were.  In fact SSN V2 with a new formula attempts 
to correct for assumed inaccuracies in earlier sunspot counts and ESPECIALLY 
during the Maunder Minimum when newly theoretical sunspot counts were adjusted 
to be about 50% higher than were previously considered to be correct.

Painfully few accurate longstanding predictions can be made from anything where 
the occurrence is 1 time, much less predicting the exact period time with any 
accuracy.  

3) Even if the time period of their cycle is in fact 350-400 years with a high 
degree of accuracy (another source of speculation), they mention that it could 
be shifted one way or another by 50 or so years.  Which would mean that 
“Maunder II”, if it occurs, may not be from 2020 – 2055 but rather could 
actually start well AFTER that time period ends!  

4) I remember a similar prediction around 1976 that showed up as an article as 
well as the cover of a CQ Magazine showing a gas pump that was out of gas.  It 
was based on the best known Science and research at that time. Thankfully that 
prediction was DEAD WRONG.

This prediction may also be based on the best known Science and research of 
this time, and it may be correct or it may be dead wrong as well.  We just 
don’t know and won’t know for a long time to come.

5) In the future we will know more about the sun and solar cycles.  Some of 
that new information will contradict what the authors of this article believe 
now.  Some of it will confirm what they believe now.  Some of it will raise new 
questions and mysteries about the sun and solar cycles.  Whatever that 
information is and regardless of whenever it is discovered, it will most 
assuredly cause new predictions to be made that will likely conflict with if 
not outright contradict the predictions made in this article. 

6) Thanks due to the incredible technology that we now use in our stations and 
the quality and quantity of yagis and amount of stations that are active, I 
work far more DX on 15 and 20 in contests at the bottom of the sunspot cycle 
now than I ever did at the TOP of the cycle in the 1970’s and almost as much DX 
as I worked at the top of the cycle in the 1980’s.
And 40, 80 and 160 are vastly better now for DX than they ever were in any 
previous sunspot cycle.

And from where we are right now, with ZERO sunspot days as far as the eye can 
see, we can only go up from here.   :-)

73 and cu on the bands.
   
Bob  KQ2M


From: py5eg 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 1:39 PM
To: donovanf@starpower.net ; cq-contest 
Subject: [CQ-Contest] RES: Modern Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) from 2020 to 2055?

Hi Frank
I have the same feeling about those predictions
73
Oms PY5EG




ATILANO DE OMS 
PP5EG - PY5EG - PY2OMS
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-----Mensagem original-----
De: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] Em nome de 
donovanf@starpower.net
Enviada em: terça-feira, 25 de junho de 2019 03:11
Para: cq-contest
Assunto: [CQ-Contest] Modern Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) from 2020 to 2055?



This article in Nature forecasts that we're approaching a grand solar minimum 
-- similar to Maunder Minimum -- starting in 2020 and lasting for three solar 
cycles. I hope these scientists are wrong... 



www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45584-3 


An international panel of experts coordinated by the NOAA and NASA released its 
preliminary Solar Cycle 25 forecast in April, 2019 forecasting that solar cycle 
25 will peak between 2023 and 2026 with a sunspot number between 95 and 130. 


I hate forecasts, especially about the future... 


73
Frank
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