Dimitry,
9A is for us not central Europe. Easy to compare:
OM2VL 4x 6 ele. Vertical stack ( highest antenna on 33 m ) and second
direction 6 el. Yagi 2734 QSO's
9A1P 1 Yagi antenna on small 12 m tower. 3193 QSO's
That is not between chair and the transceiver ! Of course , both are top
contest OP's!
73! de Tibi OM3RM
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 9:54 PM
To: Weisz László <ha3nu@tolna.net>; cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW DX SSB Midwest vs East Coast
Hi Lacy,
You're right, it's often better to be in Western EU to work US but it's better
for central EU to work Asia/JA so...
You should read the 9A1UN's comment operating 9A1P on 15m during the last CQWW
SSB ( https://www.3830scores.com/showrumor.php?arg=OjaJz1sgqgcaH ) or look the
claimed scores of Multi-Single High, the Multi-Op Multi-Transmitters, the
Single-Op low All bands, the Single-Op High all bands or any other single bands
categories ( https://cqww.com/raw.htm?mode=ph ) to see from where are most of
the EU top scorers.
As says a friend who his now retired of contest but who was a top scorer in
Single-Op and Multi-Op categories in the 90's and 2000's : "the problem is
often between the chair and the transceiver".
GL in the CW part
73 de Dimitri F4DSK
Le 10 nov. 2021 à 17:36, à 17:36, "Weisz László via CQ-Contest"
<cq-contest@contesting.com> a écrit:
>GM,
>
>MW vs East Coast
>
>Here in Eu we have the same situation: West Coast (EU) vs. Central Eu.
>I
>agree with Steve N2IC and Barry W2UP: one from Central Eu is not able
>to reach the same results with a big monobander like TM3Z with his 3el
>on
>
>21MHz. Eg. in case we have a 6 hours opening for US that means only
>about 30 mins to west coast (but in good conditions only) and of course
>
>G/EI/F/EA/CT etc. friends have7-8 hours opening in the same time with
>much bigger West Coast opening . Same situation with North vs. South.
>Dimitri: "the propagation in the real world..." is the propagation what
>
>you have in France but not in Central/East Eu.
>
>We have to live together with this fact.
>
>73 Lacy HA3NU/HG3R
>
>
>On 2021. 11. 09. 21:18, dimitri cosson wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> <<<
>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>> 1) Because the K1TTT's skimmer was listening 40 to 12m. Have a look
>on reversebeacon.net and read the list of skimmers online (and on what
>bands)...
>> 2) Read again the full Barry's e.mail
>>
>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK
>>
>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 20:42, à 20:42, Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> a
>écrit:
>>> 1) How do you know that K1TTT was on 15 meters at that time ?
>>> 2) Now run the same experiment at 1200Z in any DX contest.
>>>
>>> Dim, you are welcome to guest operate from my QTH in New Mexico in
>any
>>> DX
>>> contest. I have an excellent, hilltop QTH with monoband yagis on
>10-40,
>>> a
>>> rotatable dipole at 110' on 80 (with an effective height of 300'
>>> towards
>>> Europe), and an elevated vertical on 160. I think you would find the
>>> experience to be humbling.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Steve, N2IC
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're missing something Barry : the propagation in the real
>world...
>>>> Here is a RTTY test, using 100W, 3 L, on 15m. Look the RBN reports
>>> and
>>>> form where it comes from :
>>>>
>>>> OE9GHV OH8FKK 7043.0 RTTY CQ 19 dB 45 bps 1706z 09 Nov
>>>> WZ7I TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 10 dB 45 bps 1659z 09
>Nov
>>>> WE9V TM3Z 21086.4 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> KO7SS TM3Z 21086.5. RTTY CQ 25 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> W6YX. TM3Z 21086.5 RTTY CQ 20 dB 45 bps 1658z 09 Nov
>>>> K1TTT. TM3Z 14099.1 RTTY CQ 22 dB 45 bps 1657z 09 Nov
>>>>
>>>> 17.00z, it's now dark in central France, and not a single dB heard
>by
>>>> K1TTT in MA on 15m, just a little 10db from PA and... west coast.
>>>> Remember you, humans think that it's always greener in the
>neighbor's
>>>> meadow
>>>>
>>>> 73 de Dimitri F4DSK / TM3Z
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 9 nov. 2021 à 04:13, à 04:13, Barry W2UP <w2up.co@gmail.com> a
>>> écrit:
>>>>> You guys are missing the most important point: the duration of the
>>>>> opening to Europe. That's where QSO points come from, because
>>>>> there's virtually an endless supply of Europeans to work.
>>>>> Start with the high bands. Sunset in Europe is a constant for US
>>> ops.
>>>>> However sunRISE is the key. Here are some examples of sunrise
>times
>>>>> for
>>>>> Nov 25:
>>>>> Jonesport, ME 1140Z
>>>>> Philadelphia, PA 1157Z
>>>>> Pittsburgh, PA 1218Z (near LR)
>>>>> Chicago, IL 1252Z
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's assume the band opens at sunrise and a decent station is
>>> making 3
>>>>> QSOs/minute with EU. Jonesport has already made 60 QSOs as the
>band
>>> is
>>>>> just opening in Phila. And so on. And of course, the opening is
>>> also
>>>>> stronger and deeper for the shorter paths. The EU high band
>opening
>>>>> closes
>>>>> at the same time for everyone, as darkness crosses the EU
>continent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the low bands. Sunset is earlier in Jonesport, so
>>>>> 40/80/160m opening is longer because everyone loses EU at the same
>>> time
>>>>> as
>>>>> the sun rises across EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
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