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Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests

To: "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com>, ktfrog007@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:21:40 -0700
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Here's how:

CW transmission from a keyboard macro (just like almost ALL contest exchanges use) but pre-encoded with FEC, LPDC, etc and sent in short bursts (maybe 5 seconds?) with a bandwidth on the order of 200 Hz. Not many CW transmissions, even in a contest, are faster than that.

Transmissions received and decoded using the same DSP techniques as for FT8, but converted to audible CW instead of being displayed as text.


There are no straws being grasped here.  Just expressions of frustration that FT8 has mentally corralled all use of these signal enhancement techniques.

73,
Dave   AB7E





On 2/18/2022 12:39 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
They use FEC and LDPC. None of which are in CW.

Even so the WSJT code is open source.

We are really grasping at straws here.

Ria
N2RJ

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:37 PM AB1J via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:

    Is this true? I thought FT modes used FEC methods which wouldn't
    be available on CW. I have limited knowledge, but I can't see how
    it would work on normal CW.

    73,
    Ken, AB1J


    -----Original Message-----
    From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
    To: cq-contest@contesting.com
    Sent: Fri, Feb 18, 2022 5:17 pm
    Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in contests


    The signal processing techniques utilized in FT8 could have been
    used to
    enhance the signal-to-noise of normal CW in a way that would have
    been
    virtually transparent to the operator.   It's truly a shame that
    WSJT-X
    has landlocked those techniques within FT8 in the minds of just about
    everyone in our hobby, as well as giving those techniques such a bad
    image that nobody seems willing to take up the mantle to fix it.

    The signal processing technology behind FT8 is awesome, but it is
    neither unique nor proprietary.  It should have enhanced the hobby
    for
    all of us, especially for us contesters since almost all of our
    transmissions come from keypresses in a logging program anyway.
    Instead
    it is being held hostage to WSJT-X for no real reason other than
    inertia.

    73,
    Dave   AB7E



    On 2/18/2022 8:13 AM, James Cain wrote:
    > I agree with HA3LN that FT-8 is a terrible blow to what an ARRL
    director
    > snidely referred to -- on this reflector -- as "our sandbox."
    Yes, I play
    > only unassisted and you call it what you want.
    >
    > A neighbor guy dropped by and I had just set up my Superstation
    for this
    > weekend -- a TS590 on a card table and a 11-foot wire dropped
    out the 2nd
    > floor window. "I can talk to Europe, South America, maybe even
    Japan with
    > this" said I.  "On Morse code."
    >
    > cain K1TN

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