While I agree with Steve's final point, the bit about a phone RBN is
nonsense. There may be one, but I suspect it resides in Fort Meade, and
for us ordinary mortals, it is a nothing burger.
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<https://reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 11/24/2022 12:56 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
Amen to that. The most telling post on the subject to date by far.
K0SN
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 4:47 PM Steve Dyer W1SRD via CQ-Contest <
cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
It's not any different. This whole issue is a nothing burger. The tech
exists for a phone RBN, just no one has (bothered) to do it.
No, self spotting won't be the "end of contesting as we know it" (TM).
I am far more worried about the skewed distribution of CK numbers in my
log.
73,
Steve
W1SRD
On 11/23/2022 9:52 AM, Lee Hiers wrote:
How is that materially different from having a program that automatically
spots every S&P contact, clogging the cluster with spots of CQing
stations?
73 de Lee, AA4GA
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:19 PM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:
It makes no sense to encourage stations to clog the clusters with spots
of themselves, just because they can.
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at<https://reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 11/22/2022 12:12 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
Bob W5OV of the ARRL has corrected me.
He writes "Your reading of PROH.3 is not correct. That exclusion is
specifically about making schedules, soliciting contacts (i.e.; CQing),
and
sending or receiving the required QSO exchange information via
non-amateur
means. It says nothing about spotting."
I myself fail to see any distinction between self-spotting on a Telnet
cluster, and soliciting i.e. CQing using non-amateur means, but that's
official from W5OV of ARRL.
Tim N3QE
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:13 AM Tim Shoppa<tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote:
First, make sure you have the latest rules. ARRL didn't update the
November SS rules (to the latest, version 1.06) on their website until
late
August. Prior to that we just had a confusing tease about
self-spotting
from a Contest Update earlier in the year.
Link to current SS rules:
https://contests.arrl.org/ContestRules/SS-Rules.pdf
My reading of SS rule PROH.3 in version 1.06 of the rules, is that
self-spotting is a form of soliciting contacts by a non-amateur radio
means
(in this case Telnet cluster) and thus prohibited:
"Examples of prohibited conduct [...]: PROH.3. Arranging, soliciting,
or
confirming any contacts during or after the contest by use of any
non-amateur radio means."
One clarification in 1.06 does explicitly allow a corner case of
spotting,
that was never previously mentioned in past contest rules. In the
definition section you will find, "Generating spotting information for
use
by other stations is not considered to be spotting assistance." So for
example you can be hooked up to a cluster and sending spots, as long
as
you've set all the filters such that nothing ever comes in to you from
the
cluster.
Tim N3QE
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