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To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>, "Martin , LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
Subject: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
From: Douglas Zwiebel <dougzzz@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 14:11:47 -0500
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Hi Martin,

I recall stories from K3EST about how a M/M divided up the band (20m?) into
multiple small segments and each guy would tune "his" own sement.  Not
quite what you are referring to, but no DxClusters back then.  LOL

I don't recall enough details...I know Bob often operated at W3AU..so
probably during the 60's?

de Doug KR2Q



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>    1. In-Band Stations (Martin, LU5DX)
>    2. Re: In-Band Stations (Pete Smith N4ZR)
>    3. Re: In-Band Stations (Zack Widup)
>    4. Re: In-Band Stations (John W2ID)
>    5. Re: In-Band Stations (Richard F DiDonna NN3W)
>    6. Re: In-Band Stations (Martin, LU5DX)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 19:53:43 -0300
> From: "Martin, LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
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> Subject: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> Hello,
>
> I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
>
> The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes back
> to February '94.
>
> I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in the
> US started earlier than that.
>
> Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Martin, LU5DX
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 21:04:44 -0500
> From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> By "in-band", do you mean two transceivers on the same band, with
> appropriate lockouts so that only one can transmit at a time?
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
>
> On 1/1/2025 5:53 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> >
> > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> back
> > to February '94.
> >
> > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in the
> > US started earlier than that.
> >
> > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Martin, LU5DX
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 20:17:18 -0600
> From: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com>
> To: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> What is an in-band station? I am not familiar with the term. I must have
> missed the posting you referred to.
>
> Why would someone operate out of band?
>
> Zack W9SZ
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 7:49?PM Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> >
> > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> back
> > to February '94.
> >
> > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in the
> > US started earlier than that.
> >
> > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Martin, LU5DX
> > _______________________________________________
> > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 22:14:15 -0500 (EST)
> From: John W2ID <w2id@comcast.net>
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> Yes, that's exactly what he means.
>
> Ideally, the in-band station has its own separate antenna, physically well
> separated from the run station. But it needs to be a very good antenna in
> order to minimize the number of calls and repeats the in-band station needs
> to make in order to make QSOs in between QSOs on the run station.
>
> The run and in-band operators need to agree up front on a plan for how
> they will operate and who gets priority, and they both need to understand
> that sometimes tempers will flare and it will be very frustrating when one
> guy needs to transmit at exactly the same moment the other guy starts
> transmitting, and now the station he has on the other end is sitting
> listening to silence and losing patience.  In order for it to work and for
> everyone to remain friends by the end of the contest, the operating plan
> must be agreed-upon up front. And most importantly, all transmissions need
> to be kept short, and that means talking very fast or sending QRQ CW,
> typically at least 34 WPM but 38-40WPM is ideal, and no extra message
> content beyond the minimum required to make QSOs.
>
> 73,
> John W2ID
>
> > On 01/01/2025 9:04 PM EST Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > By "in-band", do you mean two transceivers on the same band, with
> > appropriate lockouts so that only one can transmit at a time?
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> >
> > On 1/1/2025 5:53 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> > >
> > > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> back
> > > to February '94.
> > >
> > > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in
> the
> > > US started earlier than that.
> > >
> > > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin, LU5DX
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2025 22:34:55 -0500
> From: Richard F DiDonna NN3W <richnn3w@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> Good grief.  Are we going to have little games like these on January 1?
> Most people who have operated multi-ops in the past 10 or so years knows
> that "in band" means a second radio designed to make QSOs when the main run
> radio is not transmitting.
>
> Can we end the snark now?
>
> 73 Rich NN3W
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 10:30?PM Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What is an in-band station? I am not familiar with the term. I must have
> > missed the posting you referred to.
> >
> > Why would someone operate out of band?
> >
> > Zack W9SZ
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 7:49?PM Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> > >
> > > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> > back
> > > to February '94.
> > >
> > > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in
> the
> > > US started earlier than that.
> > >
> > > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin, LU5DX
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 06:26:21 -0300
> From: "Martin, LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
> Cc: CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> Yes.
> 73,
> Martin,LU5DX
>
> El mi?, 1 ene 2025 23:52, Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> escribi?:
>
> > By "in-band", do you mean two transceivers on the same band, with
> > appropriate lockouts so that only one can transmit at a time?
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> >
> > On 1/1/2025 5:53 PM, Martin, LU5DX wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> > >
> > > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> > back
> > > to February '94.
> > >
> > > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in
> the
> > > US started earlier than that.
> > >
> > > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin, LU5DX
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > > CQ-Contest@contesting.com
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 06:32:58 -0300
> From: "Martin, LU5DX" <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar>
> To: Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com>
> Cc: CQ Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] In-Band Stations
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> An in-band station is a second or a third station on the same band as your
> runnig station.
> These are used to call multipliers or other stations that are not calling
> your CQing station.
> These stations are interlocked between them by means of hardware devices,
> or hardware and software to prevent multiple transmissions at the same time
> on the same band.
> All the top Multi-Multi, Multi-Two and Multi-Single have been using this
> approach for decades.
>
> 73,
>
> Mart?n LU5DX
>
> El mi?, 1 ene 2025 23:53, Zack Widup <w9sz.zack@gmail.com> escribi?:
>
> > What is an in-band station? I am not familiar with the term. I must have
> > missed the posting you referred to.
> >
> > Why would someone operate out of band?
> >
> > Zack W9SZ
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 7:49?PM Martin, LU5DX <lu5dx@lucg.com.ar> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am searching information for a presentation on in-band stations.
> > >
> > > The first reference I see in the email archive of this reflector goes
> > back
> > > to February '94.
> > >
> > > I am sure the use of in-band stations by Multi-Op contest entrants in
> the
> > > US started earlier than that.
> > >
> > > Any information on who where the pioneers and when they started
> > > implementing this type of setup will be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin, LU5DX
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CQ-Contest mailing list
> > > CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> > > http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/cq-contest
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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