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RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?

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Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
From: "Jayson Baker" <jbaker@peakinet.net>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:56:44 -0700
List-post: <mailto:karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
We've not done anything on the CPE end in production, but we have 40+ users
on one ISP Base (CPE's all KN-100's, Orinoco Cards, all good signal) with
throttling at the ISP Base.

All users typically get right around the same up/down speeds (obviously
exact numbers depend on load, usage, etc.) but no, we've not seen
asymmetrical speeds - we see symmetrical.

Regards,
Jayson A. Baker
Peak Internet Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
On Behalf Of Andy Henckel
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:42 AM
To: Karlnet Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?

In some testing that I did I found that setting interface speed on the CPE
created a more SDSL type service, and throttling at the TC base created more
ADSL type service. 
Thus has been my policy.  Business customers throttled at CPE with more full
duplex medium, and residence throttled at the TC base for 1/2 duplex. 
Have you seen otherwise?
(waiting for final consensus from Karlnet)
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: Jayson Baker [mailto:jbaker@peakinet.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:31 AM
To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?


That may have been a reason.
Throttle at the ISP Base.

Regards,
Jayson A. Baker
Peak Internet Solutions

-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:27 AM
To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?

Also both interfaces were used


> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> 
> > For the Ethernet, or the wireless interface?  Was it
> > Turbocell, or were you trying to do it with 802.11?
> 
> Regards,
> Jayson A. Baker
> Peak Internet Solutions
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:21 AM
> To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> 
> Yes I am using the interface fields
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > On Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:18 AM
> > To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> >
> > When you say throttling at the CPE, are you setting it in the
> Interface
> > Setup fields?  For the Ethernet, or the wireless interface?  Was it
> > Turbocell, or were you trying to do it with 802.11?
> >
> > We do all throttling on a per-MAC basis at our ISP Base (AP-1000).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jayson A. Baker
> > Peak Internet Solutions
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:16 AM
> > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> >
> > I tried throttling on the CPE (rg-1000 w/ SR-4100) and it was a HUGE
> > failure.  This was in the early 4.x code (probably 4.02 or
something).
> > There was ZERO granularity in speeds, it was full speed or next to
> > nothing.
> > I couldn't get a consistent 384/512/768 working at all.
> >
> > Mikrotik works wonders.
> >
> > -bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Conn" <cconn@abacom.com>
> > To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> >
> >
> > > Dan Metcalf wrote:
> > >
> > > > Actually - this isn't true - when you throttle at the CPE using
> > karlnet
> > > > it DROPS the packets, thus causing retransmissions.
> > > >
> > > > Most packages that throttle using windowing and can slow down
the
> > > > transfer with out dropping packets
> > > >
> > > > What I should have stated is that you should throttle at both
the
> CPE
> > > > and the NOC -----
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have asked precisely this to Karlnet and they sustain the
polling
> > algorithm
> > > is used to limit throughput and that no packet dropping (or
> retransmits)
> > occur.
> > >
> > > Therefore, I would propose that a "official" answer be queried
from
> > Karlnet?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > >
> > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > >
> > > >>On Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> > > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:42 AM
> > > >>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > >>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> > > >>
> > > >>Says who?  What a waste.
> > > >>Karlnet throttles at the CPE - saves a lot of wasted air time.
> > > >>
> > > >>Regards,
> > > >>Jayson A. Baker
> > > >>Peak Internet Solutions
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > >
> > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > >
> > > >>On Behalf Of Dan Metcalf
> > > >>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:23 AM
> > > >>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > >>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> > > >>
> > > >>Its better to throttle at your NOC not your AP or CPE
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > >>
> > > >>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:21 AM
> > > >>>To: 'Karlnet Mailing List'
> > > >>>Subject: RE: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>First of all, you cannot set different up/down rates.  There is
> one
> > > >>
> > > >>rate,
> > > >>
> > > >>>and this is what it is.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The RADIUS info is on their website somewhere - but their
> examples
> > > >>
> > > >>don't
> > > >>
> > > >>>work.  When asking their support team for support, they offer
up
> > > >>
> > > >>generic
> > > >>
> > > >>>responses and never really help you.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>We've been trying to get it to work for months (with the help
of
> > > >
> > > > some
> > > >
> > > >>>people
> > > >>>who have been using RADIUS for 10 years) and never been able to
> make
> > > >>
> > > >>the
> > > >>
> > > >>>throttling work.  The authentication works, but not the
> throttling.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards,
> > > >>>Jayson A. Baker
> > > >>>Peak Internet Solutions
> > > >>>
> > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > >>
> > > >>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]
> > > >>
> > > >>>On Behalf Of Bruno Lopes F. Cabral
> > > >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 6:08 AM
> > > >>>To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> > > >>>Subject: [Karlnet] Karlnet RADIUS dictionary entries?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Hello there
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I've heard one could use RADIUS to turn on the shaping
> > > >>>feature of TC (i.e. a client having only 128Kbps download
> > > >>>and 64Kbps upload)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>can any of you point me on instructions about this matter?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>from where can I download the dictionary entries for karlnet?
> > > >>>any usage examples?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>TIA, MBR,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>!3runo
> > > >>>from Brazil
> > > >>>_______________________________________________
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> > > >>>http://lists.wispnotes.com/mailman/listinfo/karlnet
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