Just an observation  -  what in blue blazes does an Icom gizmo doing in TT 
pages anyway !?  Does somebody have a guilty conscience  or something . I 
prefer to let the device stand on it's own merit regardless of cost , Be it  
IC-7800 or TT Orion  and when it comes down to nitty-gritty  either one of them 
probably has less than   $150.00  worth of parts in them but the makers will 
argue that they have ' ten thousand man years' invested in engineering them , 
and so it goes. 
   You can be sure of one thing that  there are radios , Gov.. as well as 
commercial that cost many times the 13K  with performance to match - and easily 
outdo, those of Orion and 7800 , but then they are not  considered ham gear ! 
By the way what the hell is a ham ?
  I thought that ham was someone that built their own gear - or am I missing 
something?!
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