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Subject: | [Propagation] Fwd: VOACAP Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 |
From: | "NW7US, Tomas" <nw7us@hfradio.org> |
Date: | Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:07:46 -0700 |
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Propagation Members: The following is an interesting bit of information regarding the VOACAP engine. This is forwarded from the VOACAP reflector. ------- Forwarded message ------- From: voacap-request@mailman.qth.net To: voacap@mailman.qth.net Subject: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 04:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Send VOACAP mailing list submissions to voacap@mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/voacap or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to voacap-request@mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at voacap-owner@mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of VOACAP digest..." Today's Topics: 1. VOACAP WARNING! (George Lane) 2. Re: VOACAP WARNING! (George Lane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:34:56 -0400 From: George Lane <glane@erols.com> Subject: [VOACAP] VOACAP WARNING! To: VOACAP <voacap@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <41702660.7040206@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Heads UP In the process of comparing soundings over 22 days on a circuit, I have been making correlations studies of the predicted FOT, MUF and HPF between predictions using VOACAP, ICEPAC and REC 533. An unexpected result of this is that I found a strange discrepency in VOACAP when using Method 9 and Method 26. The predictions for these values do not agree but are supposed to be exactly the same. I checked using ICEPAC using Methods 9 and 26 and those predictions agree exactly and with those from VOACAP Method 9. The correlation coefficient ( R squared) for the Method 9 in VOACAP and in ICEPAC Method 9 or 26 is 86% for the measured MUF. But the R^2 drops to 72% when using the predicted MUF values using VOACAP Method 26. At this point in time, I feel that VOACAP Method 26 should not be used. VOACAP Method 9 and ICEPAC Methods 9 and 26 agree and seem to give the best agreement with measurements. Rec. 533 seems to have a different model and gives inferior predictions of the FOT-MUF-HPF at least for this one set of measured data (10,560 frequency-hour sample points). George Lane Lane Consultant ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:06:25 -0400 From: George Lane <glane@erols.com> Subject: Re: [VOACAP] VOACAP WARNING! To: VOACAP <voacap@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <41703BD1.6040100@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Stand by: It seems I was using two different minimum angles in VOACAP (i.e. 3.5 deg. and 3.0) which was making the big differences between the FOT-MUF-HPF predictions between Method 9 and Method 26. When the minimum angles are the same the same they agree totally. Method 5 (nomograph method) is different as would be expected. The remaining question is why do ICEPAC and VOACAP have such different predictions when Qe is set to 0 in ICEPAC. Right now it appears that ICEPAC is giving better predictions for the FOT-MUF-HPF on this one test over 22 days. This is a surprise to me as I thought both models started off from the same base... IONCAP. But they don't seem to unless my use of Qe at zero is a wrong assumption in ICEPAC. This may all be a fluke of one experiment but I am really surprised that VOACAP, ICEPAC and Rec. 533 have such different values for the MUF on a common path and solar conditions. Also, the test data was collected on a period with no major flares and the geomagnetic index was below storm level on all days... i.e. a very quiet period. Greg Hand may be able to shed more light on the FOT-MUF-HPF prediction model in ICEPAC. The VOACAP model is essentially the one used in ITSA-1 (1966) according to the authors of IONCAP. I surely would like to get any comments from people who have been using any of these three models. George Lane Consultant ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ VOACAP mailing list VOACAP@mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/voacap
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