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Re: [RFI] RFI alert

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Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI alert
From: "Gary K9GS" <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
Reply-to: Gary K9GS <garyk9gs@wi.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:54:14 -0600
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If you're looking for a better solution in terms of energy savings, 
environmental/disposal concerns, maintenance costs and RFI,  LEDs are the 
way to go:

http://www.betaled.com/


73,

Gary K9GS
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Check out K9NS on the web: http://www.k9ns.com
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GMDXA http://www.eng.mu.edu/gmdxa/
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Shirley" <jcshirle@gmail.com>
To: "R March" <n7ua@embarqmail.com>
Cc: <rfi@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI alert


> http://www.oriones.com/
>
> 6 bulb fixture
>
> Companies are replacing their mercury vapor, high pressure sodium and 
> metal
> halide fixtures with these for energy savings. You can see a picture of it
> in the brochure.
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:01 PM, R March <n7ua@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What type of system is it Rick? What's it called?  Maybe I missed part of
>> the threat, but would like to be able to tell people near me what not to
>> use.  Thanks,  Bob  N7UA
>>
>>
>> Jack Shirley wrote:
>>
>>> YES!
>>> I suspect they are using a very high freq. switching.  In this 
>>> particular
>>> plant there were boxes of these fixtures and they were installing 
>>> hundreds
>>> of them.  If anyone lives near an industrial area where these seem to be
>>> targeted, lots of luck.   Something the ARRL should jump on.  I am
>>> guessing
>>> there is some type of tax credit for such fixtures.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Rick Saeger <rsaeger@ptd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have firsthand experience with these lights.  There is a horse farm
>>>> barn
>>>> 2000' from my qth. They installed 8 of these devices to replace the
>>>> existing
>>>> fluorescent lighting. It was an RF disaster! They created s9+20 noise
>>>> from
>>>> 20m and up(and that is 2000' away). My operating is primarily 
>>>> contesting.
>>>> As
>>>> a result of these lights it made that virtually impossible.
>>>>
>>>> After a three year battle with the help of the ARRL and the FCC the 
>>>> owner
>>>> eventually replaced them all with a halogen lighting system which is 
>>>> dead
>>>> RF
>>>> quiet.
>>>>
>>>> This type of battle can take a lot out of you and is not a fun 
>>>> experience
>>>> for anyone involved.
>>>>
>>>> If you happen to have any one install this type of system near you. GL
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Rick K3OO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Jack Shirley
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:01 AM
>>>> To: Roger (K8RI)
>>>> Cc: rfi@contesting.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] RFI alert
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing that its ultra efficient electronic ballast design, eg,
>>>> transformer-less: most likely considered and incidental radiator. I 
>>>> have
>>>> not
>>>> check the USPTO for patent info.
>>>>
>>>> The transformers in my fluorescent lights get very hot, so that would 
>>>> be
>>>> the
>>>> first target for improved.efficiency.
>>>>
>>>> 73  N8DX
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Roger (K8RI) <k8ri@rogerhalstead.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jack Shirley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.oriones.com/
>>>>>> Fluorescent lighting with electronic ballasts.
>>>>>> I was just at a large company and they are replacing all their HID
>>>>>> lamps
>>>>>> with these fixtures. Apparently the RFI was so bad it interfered with
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> radio controlled cranes.
>>>>>> I believe there is some tax incentive for companies to make the 
>>>>>> change.
>>>>>> Heads up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what they are doing. I looked at the web page, but all I 
>>>>> found
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> they are using a high intensity system. All of the lights in my shop 
>>>>> are
>>>>> fluorescents (22 8', 75 watt tubes), or 1650 watts. If they were
>>>>> incandescents I could heat the place with them, but I'd need one whale
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> an
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> airconditioner in the summer.
>>>>> With the conventional fluorescents I have no RF hash, but they are
>>>>> sometimes noisy as in an audible noise.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 73  N8DX
>>>>>>
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