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Re: [RFI] Gone then back

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
From: Pete Smith <n4zr@contesting.com>
Reply-to: n4zr@contesting.com
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:16:26 -0500
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Don't these sound a lot like simple inductors in series with the power 
going to the dimmer?  I couldn't find the tech specs on the "lamp 
debuzzing coils", but...

73, Pete N4ZR

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On 2/2/2011 6:47 AM, dalej wrote:
> I went to Lutron site and found application note #13 regarding de-buzzing 
> coils.
>
> <http://www.lutron.com/Service-Support/Technical/Pages/ApplicationNotes.aspx>
>
> Anyone have experience with these lamp de-buzzing coils on light dimmers?
>
> Dale, k9vuj
>
>
> On 01, Feb 2011, at 20:19, Battles,Richard wrote:
>
>> I have light dimmer switches in my home with no rfi at all.  they are the 
>> Lutron type with the three way switch and dimmer.  i am wondering what 
>> frequency do you hear this rfi, is it very broad in nature.  if it is the 
>> dimmer
>> then i would check the brand.
>>
>> richard
>> wb4byq
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com [rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>> dalej [dj2001x@comcast.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:15 PM
>> To: RFI List
>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
>>
>> Hello Richard,
>>
>> All good suggestions and thankyou, but I rather have mfg recall defective 
>> product and that would come about with the FCC getting better at monitoring 
>> potential emitters like they monitor new ham rigs before allowing mfg to 
>> sell them.  The local home improvement stores are loaded with them.  Not all 
>> are bad, but the bad ones need to be dealt with.  A do-it-yourselfer will 
>> most always go with the least expensive solution and that will be the cheap 
>> junk.  As a legal license holder the burden of proof or enforcement should 
>> not be my responsibility. My other neighbor is at this very moment getting 
>> some remodeling done to his house.  I dread the thought of more dimmer 
>> lights on the other side of me.
>>
>> This comes close to neighborhood speeders for example, who happen to live 
>> across the street, the police rarely patrol so the burden is on the 
>> homeowner to snitch on the neighbor which in turn causes friction, that 
>> would apply to your method too.  I don't want to live in a war zone.  Let 
>> the mfg buck-up and clean up, but it takes a strong enforcement from the FCC 
>> which so far has not appeared at as far as I can tell.
>>
>> I have entertained the idea of getting the biggest KW and running it at full 
>> legal power then see what happens next.
>>
>> Dale, k9vuj
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31, Jan 2011, at 17:43, Battles,Richard wrote:
>>
>>> do what i have done.  write a complaint about the problem, address it to 
>>> the ARRL, Mike Gruber, he will send them a letter, he will also copy the 
>>> letter to the FCC, give them about 60 days to fix the problem, contact you 
>>> if the problem has been fixed, if not then the complaint will be forward to 
>>> the FCC and they will send the a letter.
>>> I have found that if i was causing them RFI they will complain to someone.  
>>> I just tell my neighbors that that device is causes RFI to a license 
>>> service, do some explaining, give them a sample letter that can be found on 
>>> the internet, and you understand that they cannot know or understand the 
>>> problem, but the RFI needs to stop.
>>>
>>> I have done this to two neighbors and we still speak to each other.  They 
>>> need to be informed consumers, just as we are.
>>>
>>> Just another day in the neighborhood.  they will most likely get over it.
>>>
>>> richard
>>> wb4byq
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: rfi-bounces@contesting.com [rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> dalej [dj2001x@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 5:31 PM
>>> To: Rick Scott
>>> Cc: rfi@contesting.com
>>> Subject: Re: [RFI] Gone then back
>>>
>>> Probably a neighbors dimmer light.  I got one here too.  I can put my 
>>> portable SW up to the power meter or any wires and it comes in stronger.  I 
>>> know for a fact it's their dimmer because I went over with my SW rx one day 
>>> and had them shut it off and the noise went away.  Sadly, our FCC does 
>>> nothing about the sale of this junk and leaves it up to the licensed 
>>> operator to somehow get the neighbor to fix it which is not an easy task.  
>>> Short of a class-action lawsuit against all mfg that make and import this 
>>> crap, there is not much we can do about it except try to get the neighbor 
>>> to co-operate and fix it, not likely.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Dale, k9vuj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31, Jan 2011, at 17:13, Rick Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> My noise went away for the weekend now its back with a vengeance.  I need 
>>>> to
>>>> wait for the ARRL RFI guy.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Grundig Receiver I took in the garage and had it on the worst 
>>>> frequency
>>>> and then shut down the house.
>>>>
>>>> Never went away, so its definitely external.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, I can hear it on every light fixture and near the wall power 
>>>> when I
>>>> take the mini antenna and walk around
>>>> the house, so its definitely coming in on the house wire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scotty W7PSK
>>>>
>>>>
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