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Re: [RFI] ONE wallwart

To: Dale <svetanoff@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] ONE wallwart
From: Paul Christensen <w9ac@arrl.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:40:25 -0400
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Excellent advice from Dale. In addition to PowerOne and International Power, 
Condor is the third company making nearly Identical linear supplies. I use all 
three brands. 

As Dale noted, these are OEM supplies and require the user to supply a power 
cable or power entry module along with a fuse. The output feeds a PowerPole 
splitter.

In my home office, the router, file server, and cable modem are all fed by one 
PowerOne supply.  That significantly reduced trash from three separate 
switching supplies. 

Used Lambda supplies are even better but overkill for most applications. 

Paul, W9AC


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On Aug 31, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Dale <svetanoff@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Charlie,
> 
> Yes, there are places to go get "clean" linear power supplies, but they are 
> getting fewer by the year.  There are 2 commercial vendors I can recommend, 
> strictly on the basis if having been a happy customer. They are Marlin P 
> Jones & Associates, in Florida, and Jameco Electronics, in California.  There 
> might also be choices at Mouser Electronics and Digi-Key, but I have not seen 
> their catalogs or web sites in a long time.
> 
> First, MPJA:  Go to their web site <www.mpja.com> or contact them at (800) 
> 652-6733 for details or a catalog.  They are a distributor of International 
> Power open frame LINEAR power supplies.  I have used that brand (or their 
> main competitor, Power One) in previous industrial applications.  They are 
> butt-ugly (and rather large) units built on a one-piece aluminum L-shaped 
> chassis, and the 5V and 12V versions are both available in output current 
> ranges of around 1.5 amps to more than 15 amps.  They are made in USA (as far 
> as I know) and the cost is around $40 for the small ones and upwards of $250 
> for the much larger ones.  They use easy to get replacement parts, have full 
> UL safety approvals (real, not fake), and the power transformers have dual 
> primary windings so that you can wire them for 120 or 240 volt operation.  If 
> appearance is not important, or if you can make or buy a housing, this is a 
> very good approach to consider.  The smaller models are around 4.87" by 4" by 
> 2
 .1
> " and weigh 2 lb.  
> 
> Jameco: They carry a line of wall warts, most being switchers, but there are 
> several linear types, as well.  Google them for web site and see what they 
> have.  Note that some of the wall warts are unregulated types - meaning that 
> they produce the rated output voltage and current at rated current load, but 
> output voltage can be a lot higher with light loading.  (Example: A wart 
> rated for 12VDC output at 2 amps might very well deliver almost 18VDC at less 
> than 0.5 amp load.)
> 
> A caution about the 19V supplies for computers: In some cases, it only seems 
> as if the laptops have a common type of DC power connector.  However, it has 
> come to my attention that Dell computers, in particular, "know" when the 
> power supply is not an OEM original or equivalent.  When that happens, it is 
> my understanding that the battery is either not recharged at all or at a very 
> slow rate.  Therefore, you might check around before trying to replace an OEM 
> computer wall wart with something else.  You could be stuck with a switcher.  
> I am typing this on a Dell laptop and the switcher powering it is OK, as long 
> as you don't get either the lap top or the wall wart within 5 feet of an AM 
> broadcast band radio that you wish to use while on the computer.  Thank you, 
> FCC, for no required radiated emission limits in that frequency range.
> 
> Bottom line: Be prepared to give up some degree of portability if you want 
> clean DC power.  Compactness, light weight, low cost, and universal voltage 
> operation are all long suites in favor of switchers.  Consider that maybe you 
> only need clean power in or near your shack, so a larger, more hefty linear 
> supply might be the answer there and save the switchers for other 
> applications.  OTOH, if you really do want small linear wall warts and do not 
> find what you need at a dealer, then ham fest junk bins really can be THE 
> place to look.  Those bins may well contain perfectly good linear "clean" 
> supplies that were the norm 15 to 25 years ago.  It's all about trade-offs 
> (and keeping your HF antennas as far away from the house as possible).
> 
> 73, Dale
> WA9ENA   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charlie Gallo <Charlie@TheGallos.com>
>> Sent: Aug 31, 2013 8:37 AM
>> To: rfi@contesting.com
>> Subject: [RFI] ONE wallwart
>> 
>> Hey Gang,
>> The cable TV issues are still there (but there no longer seems to be voltage 
>> on the line), but I've pretty much did a good cleanup on the higher bands
>> 
>> Last night I go to look at a spot on 80m - s9+10 noise!
>> 
>> Start searching this AM - the power supply for my WD-TV that I had a small 
>> ferrite on was still making some noise on 80, but even with it unplugged, 
>> there was something in the house SCREAMING
>> 
>> I chased it down - the power supply that came with my (cheap) external had 
>> drive enclosure from Buffalo - unplugged that, I'm down to S4 - Yep, over 5 
>> S units of noise from ONE wall wart (simple 12V unit!)
>> 
>> DOes anyone know where to BUY (no, I'm not talking hamfest junk bin finds) 
>> various portable (No, I don't want to lug around an Astron) power supplies 
>> that are RFI Quiet?
>> 
>> The big ones (in my household survey) would be
>> 12V DC
>> 20V DC High (like 20A) power 'line lumps' for laptop computers - those seem 
>> to be all noisy, but seem to use a standard connector
>> and 5V DC
>> 
>> I'd actually be willing to spend some fairly nice money to replace them.  
>> There are so many of them around the house that the cost in ferrites....
>> 
>> -- 
>> 73 de KG2V - Charles Gallo
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>> 
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