that's why I have nice quiet bands from dc to daylight and you have been
suffering for 8 years!
Feb 12, 2014 10:22:21 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
I'm sorry David, but I don't agree with you.
Dale, k9vuj
On 12, Feb 2014, at 7:19, David Robbins wrote:
> is he not stealing your right to pursue happiness?? have you not been harmed
> by his noise generator the same as if he had been running a stereo too loud
> after you go to bed? does your continued silence not enable him to keep
> violating the law??
>
> you will find that most of those things have been tested at one time or
> another to comply with emission requirements, but then they are 'cleaned up'
> by the production engineer who doesn't understand why all those 'extra'
> components are needed and gets rid of them to reduce cost. if no one reports
> problems, the production engineer gets a big bonus and does it again on the
> next model. if someone forgets to tell a new assembler that he has to connect
> that little green wire to the case it won't get caught at import time because
> not every copy of a tv gets tested, just the first prototype that is gone
> over with a fine tooth comb before emissions testing... after they get a
> certification number they are done.... sure it would be nice to randomly
> check production units, but who has time and money for that? unless someone
> complains! without the complaint no one investigates, without an
> investigation no one gets fined, if no one gets fined then no investigator
> gets a big bonus, so help out the investigators and report noise makers!
>
>
> Feb 12, 2014 08:04:34 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Theft is a different situation.
>
> I say that potential radiators should be tested, like they test amplifiers
> before they are released for sale. None of that's done, no oversight. We have
> LED lights now that generate RFI. If these same LED lights were knocking out
> TV's how long do you think they'd allow that to go on?
>
> 73
> Dale, K9VUJ
>
>
> On 12, Feb 2014, at 6:50, David Robbins wrote:
>
>> well, if your neighbor was stealing gas from your car would you report it to
>> the police??? or would you expect them to be checking the level in your tank
>> for you every day to see if some was missing? if your neighbor was running
>> nightly parties that kept you awake would you confront them about it? if
>> they didn't stop would you call the police?? or would you expect police to
>> be checking for all noise in the neighborhood to stop at a 9pm curfew??? if
>> you saw your neighbor dealing drugs out of his house would you report it to
>> police or just assume that they will eventually figure out that something
>> was going on and catch them without your help??
>>
>> If you don't inform your neighbor that their tv is causing interference
>> (preferably the first week then have it) and coach them to return it to the
>> manufacturer as a defective device for violating part 15 or 97 or whatever
>> it might be, who will?? if they don't then fix it, and you don't report it
>> to the fcc, then who will?? The fcc, like the local police, can't be
>> everywhere all the time to find intermittent local interference sources.
>> they are busy enough trying to take care of those who do file complaints
>> without going around looking for more work.
>>
>>
>> Feb 12, 2014 05:12:16 AM, dj2001x@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> With all the regulations "since 1920's", why then am I still plagued with a
>> plasma TV next door?? Eight years it's been.
>>
>> Am I the responsible person to go to my next door neighbors, inform them
>> they have an illegal TV and demand they get rid of it??
>>
>> Kurt, respectfully, you can cite all the rules and regulation etc you want,
>> but the fact of the matter is, we are not protected. They import (or build
>> it in country) this junk that causes interference and nothing is being done
>> about it, unless I do it myself demanding they get rid of the noise maker,
>> plasma TV and light dimmers. I ain't gonna do that. I guess I could relocate
>> as many have already done, being driven away from man made noise.
>>
>> It's not my job to enforce those regulations, the government entity that is
>> supposed to oversee, don't.
>>
>> If these devices don't fall under the part 15 or whatever part, then why
>> aren't new regulations made that do? It's still up to the government
>> regulate these interference making devices, but…..here we are, light
>> dimmers, plasma tvs, fish tank heaters, dog water dish heaters, hot tub
>> equipment etc. It's continued to be mfg, sold and used. Now we have to watch
>> out for the LED lights they'll be in your neighborhood soon.
>>
>> No oversight, no protection.
>>
>> 73
>> Dale, k9vuj
>>
>>
>> On 11, Feb 2014, at 22:17, "KD7JYK DM09" wrote:
>>
>>> : Nothing. I guess the rules don't provide us any protection from this
>>> junk.
>>>
>>> When did this mentality take hold? We've been protected from interference
>>> since the 1920's. Does anyone bother to familiarize themselves with the
>>> rules (actually, Code Of Federal Regulations, Telecommunications) any more?
>>>
>>> Do you want every POS ever made removed, or just the one, MAYBE two units
>>> you actually hear that is affecting you?
>>>
>>> Start with CFR 47, Part 97, so you know who you are and what rights and
>>> privileges your license offers you, then, check out CFR 47, Part 15 and 18
>>> for all the stuff that's not permitted to interfere with you and what steps
>>> everyone else must take to rectify it. In your research, you will also find
>>> copies of notices referring to interference caused to other, letters of
>>> forfeiture (fines), some in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and even
>>> notices to cease all operation, all due to interference to "amateur" radio.
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
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