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Re: [RFI] LED lighting

To: "Hare, Ed W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
From: David Cole <dave@nk7z.net>
Reply-to: dave@nk7z.net
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:03:28 -0700
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Ed,

Take a look at:

http://nk7z.net/rfi-now/

There are several screen shots of, and links to, the various programs
which I use to document my RFI environment.  

I just added a movie showing about 12 hours of RF analysis taken this
morning, it is an animation of the data take from Spectrum Labs, as
presented by single frames of Spectrum Labs graphical output, and
represents around 600 frames of data being animated.  

I am working with the person generating the RFI, and he has his
equipment turned off at this point, so I have a unique opportunity to
take data in an RFI reduced environment, the first time in years it
seems from the data! 

I am taking as much data as possible...  The movie is only one way I
used to visualizing that data, and it is enlightening to watch a days
worth of RFI...  You start to see things that were not visible in the
traditional way of looking at the data.

What you are seeing is the audio pass-band, along the X axis, the Y axis
is audio strength, and the Z axis shows time.  The animation is along
the Z, (time), axis.  

The movie animates the data so one gets to view a day, a week, or a
year, depending on how much time you have to take data...  

The movie is of 12 hours of data and one can see patterns that were not
visible at all in other ways of visualizing the data.  

I am working on a way to do this with a dongle, and actually use signal
strength, not audio for the Y axis.   

I have arbitrarily picked 24 hours as a period of time for each data
take.  I just grabbed what I had for today to generate that movie, hence
why it is not 24 hours.

-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net

For MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
For Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
For MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 00:38 +0000, Hare, Ed W1RFI wrote:
> Oh, that is scientific enough, Dave, telling me that the noise is below the 
> measurement noise floor of an active loop and spectrum analyzer.  Good job!
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: David Cole [dave@nk7z.net]
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 5:54 PM
> To: Hare, Ed  W1RFI
> Cc: qrv@kd4e.com; rfi@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
> 
> Hi,
> 
> These lights are obviously LED, several very bright point sources, three
> rows of three point sources per light.  Looking up at them while off no
> bulb visible, and the LEDs can be seen.  There were four different
> types, all were obviously LED in some way.
> 
> Again, all were dead quiet in a quick scan of 80-10 meters.
> 
> No scientific method used, just listened on 80 through 10, and hearing
> nothing in AM mode directly below the lights.
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 21:33 +0000, Hare, Ed W1RFI wrote:
> > Do these look like LED lights from the ground? I can be on the lookout for 
> > them here, too.  If we ever start seeing noisy LED streetlights, we are in 
> > BIG trouble.
> >
> > Ed, W1RFI
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Cole
> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 3:51 PM
> > To: qrv@kd4e.com
> > Cc: rfi@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As I said, (and told the City folks), not scientific, had we had more time 
> > I would have been able to do a proper test, but the lights are already up 
> > and running...  I will do a few more drive by events as time allows, and 
> > bring higher and higher frequency gear.
> >
> > We came into this late.  This was just a sweep to be sure something was not 
> > horribly wrong, not a definitive test, and it was presented as such to the 
> > city.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks and 73's,
> > For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> > www.nk7z.net
> >
> > For MixW support see;
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> > For Dopplergram information see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> > For MM-SSTV see:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 13:06 -0400, qrv@kd4e.com wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > >     What about VHF, UHF, SHF?
> > >
> > >     No potential for weak signal GPS or WiFi interference?
> > >
> > > David
> > > > I discovered that the City here is going to be switching to LED
> > > > streetlights soon, and ended up in contact with the City Engineer...
> > > >
> > > > The long and short of it is that the city had not even thought about
> > > > Part 15/18 compliance, but when they looked, the lights were
> > > > compliant as per the data sheet on them.
> > > >
> > > > He and agreed to have us look over the test run they have in place
> > > > looking for RFI...  He gave us the addresses and we we did-- all of
> > > > them were dead quiet on 80-10 Meters, regarding broadband noise, in
> > > > a drive around test...
> > > >
> > > > We did a prelight drive around, mapping all the poles by number and
> > > > taking RF background readings, on 80-10, then waited for them to
> > > > light, and did it again...  Not one light made any detectable RFI,
> > > > at street level.  Not scientific, and I told him that, but at least
> > > > the city is being really good about RFI, and it is now on their radar.
> > >
> > >
> >
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