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Re: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites

To: Charles Coldwell <coldwell@gmail.com>, "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net>, MICHAEL ST ANGELO <mstangelo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites
From: D C _Mac_ Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:32:32 +0000
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
It has long been my belief that it is virtually impossible to keep water OUT of 
places where you don't want it to go.


Better to arrange for an easy exit for the water that WILL go where you don't 
want it to go!


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* 73 - Mac, K2GKK/5 *
* (Since 30 Nov 53) *
* Oklahoma City, OK *
* USAF, Ret'd 61-81 *
** FAA, Ret'd 94-10 *
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From: RFI <rfi-bounces@contesting.com> on behalf of MICHAEL ST ANGELO 
<mstangelo@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 08:47
To: Charles Coldwell; N2TK, Tony
Cc: RFI RFI
Subject: Re: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites

Tony,

I assume water got into the pores or onto the surface of the cores and cracked 
when the water froze.

I always enclose my cores, as well as my connectors and protective devices 
(transzorbs), in an enclosure such as a NEMA box. I run my connections into the 
box from the bottom or from the side with the cable facing downwards so that 
water does not run into the enclosure. I cover the side cables with 
electricians putty to further keep out water. I have put sccreening over the 
went holes on the bottom to keep out insects.

Mike N2MS




> On June 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM "N2TK, Tony" <tony.kaz@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> The cores that came apart were not snap-ons. They were solid cores.
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Coldwell [mailto:coldwell@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 7:44 AM
> To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz@verizon.net>
> Cc: RFI RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites
>
> Could this have something to do with the unavoidable gap in the 
> high-permeability material in a snap-on ferrite?  The majority of the MMF is 
> usually in the air gap.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 6:47 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz@verizon.net> wrote:
> > Here in upstate NY I have Fair-Rite FT-240 #31 cores on my RG6 receive
> > antennas - 8 turns. This spring when I did an inspection I saw that
> > several cores had split or had chunks out of them. Do the cores need
> > to be protected from the weather? I replaced the broken cores with the
> > biggest clamp-on, #0431177081, #31 ferrite with 8 turns. They are just 
> > lying on the ground.
> > Should I enclose them?
> >
> > I made up four 3/4 wave length RG6 lines for my 80M 4-square. I used
> > the same biggest clamp-on ferrite with 8 turns at the feedpoint.
> > Should I do anything additional such as tie wrap them and/or enclose the 
> > ferrite?
> >
> > 73,
> > N2TK, Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ed K0iL
> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:20 PM
> > To: john@kk9a.com; rfi@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Seems we can always get more turns around a toroid ferrite (several)
> > than you can on a snap on ferrite (maybe one).  This would make
> > snap-ons less effective than a toroid core based on number of turns.
> >
> > 73, de ed -K0iL
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > john@kk9a.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:44 PM
> > To: towertalk@contesting.com; rfi@contesting.com
> > Subject: [RFI] Snap-on Ferrites
> >
> > I was reading the recent QST article RF Mayhem by WB8IMY. The author
> > said to avoid using snap-on ferrites for problems caused by HF signals
> > as they rarely work well at HF. It is best to stick with circular cores.
> >
> > Is this correct?  I was not aware that snap-ons were less effective.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
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> Charles M. Coldwell, W1CMC
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