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Re: [RFI] Inverse Square Law and RFI

To: JW <jwin95@yahoo.com>, RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Inverse Square Law and RFI
From: Cortland Richmond <ka5s@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:15:38 -0400
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BPL was common mode for at least one horizontal conductor  and (I don't have access to the data) not a  source, (arcing insulator, etc) local to the pole/tower ground; at OUR frequencies; given the inductance of the intra-pole ground conductor, the nearest vertical one  *would* carry the most RF current.

Cortland

KA5S


On 6/13/18 11:06 AM, JW wrote:
Fortunately, Cortland , all of the power line noise sources I have had the pleasure to locate exhibited radiation from the vertical ground wire. Effectively, this represents a T-top loaded type vertical antenna with a pronounced vertical signal and signature.


IT HAS been instructive, though TO NOTE the characteristics between signal bearings between say, two different disparate freqs like 400 kHz and 1900 kHz versus 3.5 MHz


I have found, during field work, the highest freq's  bearing is THE correct one indicating the correct source when outside say 500 feet distance. For 400 kHz this can be nearfield of the vert ground wire, as well as saome radiation from a long horz line run.


de Jim WB5WPA




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*From:* Cortland Richmond <ka5s@earthlink.net>
*To:* rfi@contesting.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2018 9:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [RFI] Inverse Square Law and RFI

This is an issue we lost in the BPL fight; when radiating conductors are
long in wavelength, the  transformation from  near to far fields occurs
at greater distance than would be expected of a point source. Ignoring
radiator size (in wavelengths)-- part of the equation --  can result in
substantially lower calculated interference potential from such sources.

For 4 MHz
(https://www.everythingrf.com/rf-calculators/antenna-near-field-distance-calculator
) and  a 1000 meter radiating conductor:

  *
    Wavelength
    74.9481145m
  *
    Reactive Near Field Distance
    2264.70340834m
  *
    Radiating Near Field Distance
    26685.12761585m
  *
    Far Field (Greater than this distance)
    26685.12761585m


Assuming a "point source" (ONE meter radiator)...

  *
    Reactive Near Field Distance
    0.07161621m
  *
    Radiating Near Field Distance
    0.02668513m
  *
    Far Field (Greater than this distance)
    0.02668513m



Cortland Richmond
ka5s



On 6/13/18 8:14 AM, JW via RFI wrote:

> I suppose it should be mentioned, for completeness, that strictly speaking the inverse square law is inapplicable to that range  of low band frequencies where propagation of the signal via ground wave is taking place, as on the 160 meter band,
> de  Jim WB5WPA
>
>        From: Kenneth Goodwin <krgoodwin@comcast.net>
>  To: rfi@contesting.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:55 PM
>  Subject: Re: [RFI] Inverse Square Law and RFI
>
> The inverse square law is a geometric result based on the surface area of a > sphere that applies to an RF source radiating equally in all directions that
> is in perfect environment, e.g. deep space.  In most communication
> environments the ratio is closer to the fourth power especially in far field
> situations with all the good features of a typical RF environment -
> scattering, diffraction, reflection, blockage, etc.  Signal attenuation
> depends on other factors like frequency not just the distance from the RF
> source as stated in the inverse square law.  As Jim has indicated in his
> previous posting, in the real world it is never that simple.  Ken K5RG
>
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