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Re: [RFI] Line noise vs Frequency

To: "EDWARDS, EDDIE J" <eedwards@oppd.com>, "'Hare, Ed, W1RFI'" <w1rfi@arrl.org>, RFI List <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Line noise vs Frequency
From: Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 10:54:25 -0400
List-post: <mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
Thanks, guys - I went out with my HF DF rig, and the one thing I'm pretty sure of is that the point source is not nearby.  Anywhere along the neighborhood-level feed that runs along the West side of my property I get a similarly high level, with no discernable local peak at a particular pole, so my suspicion is that the source is further down the line in someplace where I don't have access.  I have sent a recording and a request for help to my local power company guy, who tries very hard and has good gear but relatively little knowledge.  The line is probably 60 years old, dating to this subdivision's beginnings, and has required a lot of hardware replacement recently.

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On 8/10/2021 10:13 AM, EDWARDS, EDDIE J wrote:
Pete,

Ed Hare's description of the metal cross-arm on a pole structure is exactly 
what our RFI investigator and line troubleshooter found on a pole on the 
Salvation Army campus in Omaha.  The RFI tech could not believe it was getting 
stronger on higher and higher frequencies so he initially thought it was coming 
from off-campus somewhere else, but we found it was coming from and very strong 
on every point on the pole that had the metal arm when using ultrasound.

When one of our very experience line tech Troubleshooters came out to assist, 
he looked at the pole with a metal arm and went to his truck and pulled out a 
notebook.  He showed us a manufacturer notification on the metal arms warning 
about possible sparking/arcing on the metal arms.  He had found one like that 
before that had arced for so long it charred up the pole so bad the entire pole 
had to be replaced.  Apparently there was not a nearby ham to pick up on that 
one before it cooked the pole.

The one we found wasn't charred much so the troubleshooter had a line tech 
replace the arm with a non-metal cross arm.  Problem solved.  Salvation Army 
ham station was happy.

Start searching for the source keeping in mind if might be some sort of large 
metal component on a power pole.  But focus on location first of course.

73, de ed -K0iL
Omaha, NE

-----Original Message-----
From: RFI On Behalf Of Hare, Ed, W1RFI
I have heard reports of noise that is stronger on higher frequencies, though.  
This seems to occur when the radiating conductors are smaller than long power 
lines.  If there were induced currents in the metal crossarms of a structure, 
for example, and a gap where sparking could take place, the resultant noise 
would broadly peak on the resontant frequency of those crossarms.

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