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Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System

To: "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>, Steve Dyer W1SRD <w1srd@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System
From: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 08:36:01 +0000
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To my knowledge, the senior staff at FCC have pretty much let the Enforcement 
Bureau do its job.  Laura Smith has pretty much said, in one case from a ham 
who literally demanded an answer from her, that the FCC would not consider S3 
noise to be harmful interference in a residential environment, but the HQ staff 
did manage to make it clear that this still needs to be evaluated on a 
case-by-case basis. If the Chair had dictated that S9 was not harmful 
interference, then Smith would be stuck with that, which she is not.

Now, hams would make the case that S3 noise can be interference, and it can be, 
but the ITU-R has done decades of studies that show that the median value of 
human-made noise is more typically S6 in residential environments, so FCC knows 
that if it were to take firm enforcement action, it would probably not prevail 
with the ITU-R document pretty much saying that a higher-level is typical.  The 
attorney for the defendant would bring that out quickly.

Having said that, I know that Solar Edge is pretty much down to that level with 
its current designs. We still see issues, with legacy systems out there and 
with new systems and poor installation practices by the many installers doing 
the work.  Solar Edge is again going to try a new design it believes will be 
even quieter, so "big business" is not the automatic enemy and when we get 
cooperation of any sort, we are better off working with it and building on it 
than we are trying to fight it.

FCC is also rather cooperative, taking ARRL's well-vetted reports and issuing 
advisory letters to operators of noisy devices.  Even in cases of "S3" 
interference, when we can identify a single source of noise and demonstrate 
that it can be fixed, FCC has asked operators of these devlces to work with the 
amateurs to try to resolve it. We are honest with the FCC about the level of 
interference, but its staff have been sympathetic so far to the concept that if 
interference can be reasonably fixed, it is reasonable to ask for manufacturer 
or operator help in doing so. That is far more advisory than the usual letter, 
by necessity, but the FCC has been very helpful to us in trying to get cases 
resolved.

The key to these "lower levels" of interference receiving FCC encouragement 
hinges on the premise that the source can be reasonably fixed even though it is 
weak. That has been decided on a case-by-case basis, sometimes unfavorably to 
amateur radio, when the possibility of a reasonable fix is not immediately 
clear, or in some cases, where an amateur has made loud and sometimes too 
forceful demands that the FCC do just what the ham tells them to do.

More than the technical solutions, what I call "personal diplomacy" is a key to 
solving any RFI problem.

Ed Hare, W1RFI
ARRL Lab


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From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of Steve Dyer 
W1SRD via RFI <rfi@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2022 3:09 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System

Randy,

What is the source of this statement?

I find it unlikely the FCC Chair is commenting so specifically on this
issue.

If she is so familiar with this issue as to comment at this level of
detail, then it presents an opportunity to engage directly.

73,
Steve
W1SRD

On 12/18/2022 11:56 AM, wx5l@charter.net wrote:
> Recently Jessica Rosenworcel , FCC chairwomen has made a statement about
> issues with Solar Edge RFI and said that S-6 to S-9 is NOT harmful
> interference.

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