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Re: [RFI] Tip on approach to, or where to start looking for new noise so

To: "mstangelo@comcast.net" <mstangelo@comcast.net>, RFI List <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Tip on approach to, or where to start looking for new noise source
From: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 00:15:14 +0000
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I just found a device in my own home operating at 45 dB above the FCC emissions 
limits.  In one of the boxes of junque donated to the ARRL Lab was a charger 
that fit the Lab's GPS. I took it home and plugged it in.

Not being on the air from home right now (being corrected!), I didn't notice 
the noise.  But I didn't correlate the use of the charger with one of my AFCI 
breakers tripping seemingly at random.   There was no symptoms of an arc, so 
swapped out the breaker.  No dice.  Finally, I decided to start unplugging 
various things on the circuit.  The first thing I unplugged was two wall-wart 
chargers.  Three days later, with no more tripping, it seems that I had found 
my problem.

I took the charger into the Lab and measured its conducted emissions per FCC 
standards.  The little bugger was making switch-mode-supply noise at 45.5 dB 
above the FCC limits, mostly below 2 MHz.  This one device was making as much 
noise as 35,000 legal devices.  It is a No-Name supply, so it's not actionable 
in any way, but this is now the 2nd such device I have found.

I have a box of about 100 such switching supplies and chargers. I am going to 
bring them all in and test them one at a time and put together a report that 
describes the level of noise from these devices found "in the wild."  This will 
make a great article for the IEEE EMC Society magazine, showing that devices 
out there are making some serious noise.

Now, we all know that noise levels go up at night on the lower bands. The 
increase vs time is generally gradual, so it sure appears that this is coming 
in by skywave.  Now, if this is from the aggregate of millions of legal 
devices, there is not much that can be done, but if it is from a much smaller 
number of strong noise sources, including an illegal device like this one, in 
the long run, it may be possible to document this and investigate what can be 
done with enforcement.

We had investigated one grow light that was 58 dB over the limits.  This one 
device was making as much noise as 650,000 legal devices.  It would only take a 
few of these in any given area to add up to the equivalent of millions of 
devices.

The discussions about obtaining a contour map of noise sources is really 
intriguing.  Maybe when I finally retire, I will take on the project and try to 
map an entire community. This may give us what to expect from legal devices and 
it may identify a few outliers.

Ed, W1RFI





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Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2023 11:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [RFI] Tip on approach to, or where to start looking for new noise 
source

Good advice. When you turn off breakers don't forget to turn off any battery 
backup devices during your investigation.

I had a nagging noise on 60 meters. I turned off all circuit breakers but still 
had the noise. I turned off the battery backup system I have in the shack and 
the noise disappeared. I turned on the power and disconnected each power supply 
connected to the battery backup and isolated the noise to a power supply to our 
wireless phone. I had to place a Fair Rite 31 toroid on the power cord near the 
power supply and one at the phone to eliminate the noise.

Mike N2MS


> On 01/01/2023 4:48 AM Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org> wrote:
>
>
> <But, first, exercise your breakers at home and if you can, run your receiver 
> / transceiver on battery power so you can shut off the entire house to start 
> your search.>
>
> I can't emphasize enough how important this is. Get a battery-operated 
> receiver and connect it to your antenna. Then, flip off all of the breakers 
> in your house.  If the noise goes away, it is you!  If so, turn the breakers 
> back on, one at a time, and note any noise increase. Turn that breaker off 
> (important!) and move on to the next breaker.
>
> Be on the lookout for devices that may have a backup battery, keeping them 
> "on" when the breaker is off.
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