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Re: [RTTY] ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

To: "Thomas Giella KN4LF" <flcyclone@tampabay.rr.com>,"a RTTY COL eList" <rtty@contesting.com>,"a Psk31 QTH eList" <psk31@mailman.qth.net>,"a Psk31 es eList" <psk31@bipt106.bi.ehu.es>,"a psk31 eGroup" <psk31@yahoogroups.com>,"a PSK31 070 eGroup" <070@yahoogroups.com>,"a Oliviadata eGroup" <oliviadata@yahoogroups.com>,"a MFSK eGroup" <MFSK@egroups.com>,"a Digital Radio eGroup" <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC
From: "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner@arrl.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:05:37 -0500
List-post: <mailto:rtty@contesting.com>
This was posted on the ARRL Web site earlier this morning.

Thanks for your input.

David Sumner, K1ZZ

W1AW 160-meter frequency change put on hold (Mar 1, 2006) -- QRX on that W1AW 
QSY! Maxim Memorial Station W1AW has rescinded recently announced plans to 
change its 160-meter CW frequency starting Monday, April 3 and will remain on 
1817.5 kHz for the time being. The announced change to 1807.5 kHz was aimed at 
reducing the possibility of interfering with DX stations that have begun 
showing up in the vicinity of 1817.5 kHz. "Lately we have received more 
complaints about W1AW interfering with weak DX signals," said ARRL CEO and W1AW 
Trustee David Sumner, K1ZZ. "Some of these complaints were about key cicks, 
which set us on a quest to put the cleanest transmitter we could find on 160." 
With the key click problem on the way to resolution, it was decided nonetheless 
to move W1AW's 160-meter frequency lower in the band. "After what we thought 
was due diligence we decided that it made sense to shift below 1810 kHz," 
Sumner recounted, "since that is the lower band edge in Region 1 and 
 would pretty much eliminate the conflict with DXers." Monitoring showed that 
1807.5 appeared to be generally clear. "Unfortunately," Sumner continued, "we 
failed to pick up the fact that PSK31 operators appear to have adopted 1807 kHz 
as their 160-meter frequency, and we don't want to conflict with any 
established activity centers." Under a tight deadline to announce the W1AW 
operating schedule 30 days in advance, the League has rescinded the frequency 
shift for now. Sumner said the question will be revisited over the summer to 
try to gain consensus on a frequency to shift to after Daylight Saving Time 
ends October 29. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Giella KN4LF [mailto:flcyclone@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 6:29 PM
To: a RTTY COL eList; a Psk31 QTH eList; a Psk31 es eList; a psk31
eGroup; a PSK31 070 eGroup; a Oliviadata eGroup; a MFSK eGroup; a
Digital Radio eGroup
Cc: Carcia, Joe, NJ1Q; Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Turner, Dee (SM WCF);
Donahue, Sandy (Vice Dir SE); Butler, Frank (Dir, SE)
Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC

Hello Joe,

I was hoping that you would pay me the courtesy of responding back about my 
concern over the plan for W1AW to QSY from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc, right 
on top of the weak digital signal PSK31/63, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK, RTTY 
calling frequency.

If RM-11306 band segregation by bandwidth becomes a Part 97 regulation, the 
ARRL has proposed that the mayhem be controlled by voluntary band plan. How 
do you expect ham's to take ARRL band plans seriously when the ARRL violates 

Do as I say not as I do hypocricy?

--... ...--,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
Grid Square EL97AW

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Thomas Giella KN4LF
To: ARRL Joe Carcia NJ1Q
Cc: k1zz@arrl.org
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: ARRL To QSY To 1807.500 KC


As an ARRL member in good standing I'm advising you that it is a very bad 
idea to QSY W1AW operations from 1817.500 kc to 1807.500 kc beginning on 
April 3rd, 2006. 1807.500 kc +/- 3 kc is a main and very active frequency 
slice for weak signal PSK31, MFSK16, OLIVIA MFSK and RTTY digital 
operations. W1AW operation there would wipe out this main meeting frequency 
and more.

On 160 meters the ARRL band plan calls for digital modes between 1800-1810 
kc and CW between 1800-2000 kc, so it makes no sense to begin operation on 
1807.500 kc. If you do the math it's 10 kc for digital modes and 200 kc for 

I'm an avid CW operator too and I'm aware of the pressure the 160 meter CW 
DX community has been putting on your 1817.500 kc operations. But the 
solution to that issue is not to QSY down to 1807.500 kc. Please reconsider 
your frequency choice.

--... ...--,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
Lakeland, FL, USA
Grid Square EL97AW

KN4LF Amateur & SWL Radio History: http://www.kn4lf.com
KN4LF 160 Meter Propagation Theory Notes: http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf8.htm

   Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:09:52 -0000
   From: "Michael E Dobson" <wa3kyy@arrl.net>
Subject: New ARRL 160M CW Frequency on top of PSK Frequency

Check this out folks.  We all need to email ARRL in protest.  From the
ARRL Web site:

W1AW to QSY on 160 meters (Feb 23, 2006) -- Starting Monday, April 3,
Maxim Memorial Station W1AW will be using a new 160-meter frequency
for its CW transmissions. The new frequency will be 1807.5 kHz. "The
last time we shifted frequency on 160 meters was back in 2003," says
W1AW Station Manager Joe Carcia, NJ1Q. "Since that time, operating
patterns have changed, and there is more DX showing up near our
current frequency of 1817.5 kHz. We're shifting frequency to reduce
the possibility of interference." 

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