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To: illinoisdigitalham@yahoogroups.com, rtty@contesting.com
Subject: [RTTY] FW:ARRL response: ALE Sounding. What is it and how does itwork? (LONG!)
From: George Henry <ka3hsw@earthlink.net>
Reply-to: George Henry <ka3hsw@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:00:53 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
List-post: <mailto:rtty@contesting.com>
Here is the reply from Chuck Skolaut at the ARRL....  looks like we'll have to 
get an official FCC ruling on it.

George, KA3HSW


-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: "Skolaut, Chuck K0BOG" <cskolaut@arrl.org>
>Sent: Jan 10, 2008 3:45 PM
>To: ka3hsw@earthlink.net
>Subject: FW: FW: [illinoisdigitalham] ALE Sounding. What is it and how does it 
>work?
>
>
>George,
>
>This really is a rules interpretation that will have to come from the official 
>source - the FCC.  Any opinion on our part would likely tend to confuse the 
>issue.  
>
>73,
>
>Chuck Skolaut, KÃBOG
>Field & Regulatory Correspondent
>ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio
>860 594 0239
>cskolaut@arrl.org
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Henry [mailto:ka3hsw@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:28 PM
>To: Skolaut, Chuck K0BOG
>Subject: Re: FW: [illinoisdigitalham] ALE Sounding. What is it and how does it 
>work?
>
>Understood.  I was asking for your opinion, as someone knowledgeable in 
>regulatory matters, as to whether these specific transmissions met the 
>criteria to be permissible or not.  Ms. Crystal is claiming that they do, 
>while I do not see any way that they fit the list you give below, nor any 
>other permissible one-way transmission listed anywhere else in Part 97.
>
>
>George Henry, KA3HSW
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Skolaut, Chuck K0BOG" <cskolaut@arrl.org>
>>Sent: Jan 9, 2008 3:52 PM
>>To: ka3hsw@earthlink.net
>>Subject: FW: [illinoisdigitalham] ALE Sounding. What is it and how does it 
>>work?
>>
>>
>>George,
>>
>>Regarding one way transmissions, Part 97.111(b) permits the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>(1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station;
>>
>>(2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way 
>>communications with other stations;
>>
>>(3) Telecommand;
>>
>>(4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications;
>>
>>(5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving 
>>proficiency in, the international Morse code;
>>
>>(6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins;
>>
>>(7) Transmissions of telemetry. 
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Chuck Skolaut, KÃBOG
>>Field & Regulatory Correspondent
>>ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio 860 594 0239 
>>cskolaut@arrl.org
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: George Henry [mailto:ka3hsw@earthlink.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:57 AM
>>To: k0bog@arrl.net
>>Subject: Fw: [illinoisdigitalham] ALE Sounding. What is it and how does it 
>>work?
>>
>>
>>Chuck:  
>>
>>The following is, in my opinion, a rather creative explanation of ALE 
>>(Automatic Link Establishment) "sounding" by Bonnie Crystal, KQ6XA, in 
>>response to my posting the opinion that these "soundings" were illegal 
>>automated beaconing by ALE stations.
>>
>>I would appreciate your opinion on this.  I have inserted comments below 
>>where I feel her explanation runs afoul of Part 97.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>George Henry, KA3HSW
>>ARRL 0001155357
>>
>>
>>-----Forwarded Message-----
>>>From: expeditionradio <expeditionradio@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: Jan 8, 2008 5:34 PM
>>>To: illinoisdigitalham@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [illinoisdigitalham] ALE Sounding. What is it and how does it work?
>>>
>>>Here is some info about ALE sounding and how it works.
>>>
>>>What is an ALE sounding?
>>>In ham radio, ALE sounding is simply a station ID.
>>>Only the callsign is sent, example "This is AA1BB".
>>>Sounding is ALE jargon for "Station ID".
>>>
>>
>>Sure sounds like a beacon to me....
>>
>>
>>>What is the purpose of ALE sounding?
>>>The ID is transmitted for the purpose of establishing and maintaining 
>>>communications with other stations and to meet the station 
>>>identification requirements of ham radio rules and regulations. 
>>>Sounding may also be part of a selective calling process.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>1) Simply putting your callsign out there on an automated messaging system 
>>does not appear to be a "transmission necessary for establishing two-way 
>>communications" if there is no intent to establish such two-way 
>>communications AT THAT MOMENT.  I maintain that the sole purpose of an ALE 
>>sounding is to establish a "heard" list at other stations for possible FUTURE 
>>connections.  While it may FACILITATE establishing two-way communications at 
>>some future time, it is definitely not NECESSARY for doing so.  2)  If 
>>two-way communications are NOT in progress, there is no station 
>>identification requirement to be met.  Ergo, the station ID is simply a 
>>beacon transmission.  3)  Sounding as "part of a selective calling process" 
>>is illogical:  if you are calling someone, you send a connect request to that 
>>station.  If they are calling you, they send a connect request.  Sounding is 
>>in no way "necessary" to that process.
>>
>>
>>>How does ALE fit in the various ham radio rules?
>>>How ALE sounding is applied to the different rules of various 
>>>countries depends upon that country. Under USA's FCC rules, ALE 
>>>sounding is a station ID and a communication.
>>>
>>
>>
>>It is a station ID when none is required, and definitely NOT a 
>>"communication" if there is no intended recipient.  Isn't this EXACTLY why 
>>the Commission ruled that repeaters may not transmit regular ID's 
>>irrespective of usage?
>>
>>
>>>ALE sounding is not "beaconing".
>>>ALE stations are not sending one-way transmissions like a beacon does. 
>>>All the ALE stations are transmitting and receiving communications 
>>>with all the other ALE stations in communication with each other.
>>>
>>
>>
>>This simply defies all logic...  the soundings are most definitely one-way 
>>transmissions.  There is no response to a sounding, and therefore no two-way 
>>communications, unless another station is holding traffic for the station 
>>that transmits the sounding.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>What frequencies are soundings used by hams?
>>>In ham-friendly ALE, part of the guidelines for repetitive soundings 
>>>is to transmit on "pilot channels".
>>>Pilot channels are ALE jargon for a designated calling frequency, 
>>>usually only one channel per band. The pilot channels are within a 
>>>segment of the HF bands that are designated for automatic operation by 
>>>the national bandplans or the IARU Region bandplans, depending upon 
>>>which applies.
>>>
>>>Ham Radio ALE Pilot Channel Frequencies
>>>
>>>Freq kHz SSB INTERNATIONAL REGION - AREA 3596.0 USB NORTH AMERICA - 
>>>SOUTH AMERICA 3617.0 USB EUROPE-AFRICA-RUSSIA-MIDEAST 3626.0 USB ASIA 
>>>- AUS - NZ - PACIFIC
>>>7040.5 USB EUROPE-AFRICA-RUSSIA-MIDEAST-S.AMERICA
>>>7102.0 USB NORTH AMERICA - PACIFIC - ATLANTIC
>>>7185.5 USB AUSTRALIA
>>>10145.5 USB GLOBAL
>>>14109.5 USB GLOBAL
>>>18106.0 USB GLOBAL
>>>18117.5 USB EUROPE-AFRICA-RUSSIA-MIDEAST 21096.0 USB GLOBAL 21116.0 
>>>USB EUROPE-AFRICA-RUSSIA-MIDEAST 24926.0 USB GLOBAL 28146.0 USB GLOBAL
>>>28312.5 USB EUROPE-AFRICA-RUSSIA-MIDEAST
>>>
>>>Amateur Radio Global High Frequency Network (HFN) The Amateur Radio 
>>>Global ALE High Frequency Network is a group of volunteer operators 
>>>who have automatically controlled data stations on the ALE Pilot 
>>>Channels.
>>>These are known as HFN Pilot Stations, and they provide interconnect 
>>>texting services and HF-to-HF Relay services.
>>>The long term objective is to be interoperable with as many different 
>>>types of systems as possible. The primary purpose of the HFN is to 
>>>provide emergency and disaster relief 24/7/365 communications. When 
>>>not in use for the primary purpose, hams may access any of the HFN 
>>>stations for normal use. Another secondary aspect of the HFN stations 
>>>is that they provide a continuous feed to the internet, reporting all 
>>>other ALE stations they receive. This includes soundings and all other 
>>>types of ALE calls. These reports get logged into a permanent 
>>>database, and are visible on "ALE Channel ZERO".
>>>http://hflink.net/qso
>>>
>>
>>Please do take a look at the "ALE Activity Now" display on that website, and 
>>tell me how all those "station ID" transmissions can be considered anything 
>>other than automatic beacons.
>>
>>
>>>Many other ham radio ALE operators are transmitting soundings on the 
>>>ALE pilot channels. The more operators who are active on ALE, the 
>>>better everyone is able to connect with each other.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Huh?????  The fact that "everybody is doing it" somehow make it okay to do???
>>
>>
>>
>>>The Ham Radio ALE Guidelines are included below in this message. You 
>>>can get more info about ALE and sounding on the web at:
>>>http://www.hflink.com/sounding/
>>>
>>>73---Bonnie KQ6XA
>>>
>>>HAM RADIO SOUNDING INFORMATION
>>>
>>>What is Sounding?
>>>In Amateur Radio ALE, a sounding is simply a 10 second ALE 
>>>transmission of your callsign (station identification). A sounding is 
>>>different from a beacon because the ALE station uses 2 way 
>>>communications; and the ALE sounding transmission is part of a 
>>>selective calling process for calling and actively maintaining 
>>>communication with other stations in the global ham radio ALE net and 
>>>individually.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Again, this explanation simply defies logic.  There is no two-way 
>>communication involved in sounding
>>
>>
>>
>>>Why are Soundings Used?
>>>The reception and communication through soundings enables other ALE 
>>>stations to know which frequencies or bands your station is active on.
>>>When you first turn on your transceiver, you can send some soundings 
>>>so that other stations will copy your transmissions, and then may 
>>>selectively call you on the best channel, using the minimum number of 
>>>call attempts. The scanning ALE receiver listens to the soundings of 
>>>other stations each time they are heard and stores them in memory with 
>>>channels and times.
>>>
>>
>>
>>If done manually to poll for any held traffic, I would agree that this would 
>>be legal.  However, when done automatically and at regular intervals, it 
>>would appear to be a prohibited one-way transmission.
>>
>>
>>>How Are Soundings Transmitted?
>>>Soundings can be manually transmitted, or set by the operator to 
>>>transmit repetitive soundings every hour. Usually, if repetitive 
>>>soundings are set, when the ALE controller or radio is first turned on 
>>>then there is a delay of a few minutes before the first soundings are 
>>>transmitted.
>>>
>>>Ham-Friendly ALE Soundings
>>>In the ham radio ALE network, there are Pilot Stations in different 
>>>areas of the world that send soundings 24/7. This system transmits 
>>>sounding only on the Pilot Channels in the automatic station 
>>>sub-bands, and this strategy forms part of the basis of ham-friendly ALE.
>>>
>>>ALE Sounding Guidelines for Amateur Radio
>>>
>>>1. As an Amateur Radio Operator, you are responsible for all 
>>>transmissions of your station.
>>>
>>>2. Before sending soundings, or any transmission, listen carefully  to 
>>>all your transmitting channels with your receiver. Avoid interference.
>>>
>>>3. Sounding is not CQ. If you want to call CQ, use the HFL or QRZ netcall.
>>>
>>
>>***********************************************************************
>>*****************************************
>>This statement alone would appear to negate all of Bonnie's other 
>>arguments...  if it's not a CQ, and it doesn't appear to meet the definition 
>>of any of the other permitted one-way transmissions, it's illegal.
>>***********************************************************************
>>*****************************************
>>
>>>4. Manual or attended soundings may be transmitted on any ALE channel.
>>>
>>>5. For repetitive sounding, program your ALE to sound only on the 
>>>designated Pilot Channels marked PILOT in the Amateur Radio ALE 
>>>Channel List, for your IARU/ITU Region, and within your license. There 
>>>is one Pilot Channel per ham band in each Region.
>>>
>>>6. Program your ALE controller to use TWS Sound if possible. Using TWS 
>>>Sound increases the efficiency of ALE nets. Please DO NOT use This Is 
>>>Sound (TIS) on the ham bands.
>>>
>>>7. The optimum duration of a sounding transmission is approximately 10 
>>>to 15 seconds. Test and verify your sounding transmission duration 
>>>with your watch. A sounding transmission should NEVER be longer than 
>>>30 seconds!
>>>
>>>8. The optimum repetitive sounding on a channel is about once every 60 
>>>minutes. Please DO NOT sound repetitively on a channel more than 2 
>>>times per hour.
>>>
>>>9. The optimum scan rate is 1 or 2 channels per second. If you scan 
>>>more than 10 channels, use 2 channels per second.
>>>
>>>10. Check your transmitter operation and antenna system SWR regularly 
>>>on every channel in your scan group!
>>>
>>>11. Take care in programming your ALE controller (software) and 
>>>transceiver. Test it carefully and verify it for proper operation on a 
>>>dummy load before connecting your antenna.
>>>
>>>12.  Use the Polite or Voice Detect or Busy Detect feature of your ALE.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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