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Re: [RTTY] Wow - thanks Dr Flowers!

To: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] Wow - thanks Dr Flowers!
From: Kai <k.siwiak@ieee.org>
Reply-to: k.siwiak@ieee.org
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:27:33 -0500
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Hi Chen,
Right you are - P4 is 2400 Hz BW, not 2200 Hz. So the 2200 of P3 has already crept up to 2400 Hz. The data from your URL further also makes my point:

"Special importance was given during the development of PACTOR-4 that this *could be used without problem on industry standard transceivers with a 2.4 kHz IF bandwidth ("amateur radio transceiver")*. Due to the adaptive equalizer, the form of the IF filter curve (as compared against OFDM, PACTOR-3) is non critical. PACTOR-4 requires only slightly more SNR in order to equalize even "heavily bent" IF filter curves."

In other words, *it is only 2400 Hz because of today's equipment limitations!*
They tuned it to the typical ham transceiver BW (just like they did PACTOR-3). THAT is why we need a limit! Ham radios, especially SDR units, will be able to handle higher BWs - let's get the limit in place NOW.

73
Kai

On 12/26/2013 4:01 PM, Kok Chen wrote:
On Dec 26, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kai wrote:

PACTOR-4 (which occupies about 2200 Hz BW, just like PACTOR 3 which is in use 
today) would indeed be permissible once the 300 baud symbol rate is removed.
Pactor-3 has 2200 Hz bandwidth (2K20J2D), but Pactor-4 is 2400 Hz, per SCS, not 
2200 Hz.  See

http://www.p4dragon.com/en/PACTOR-4.html

Pactor-4 SL1 has two subcarriers.  Pactor-4 SL2 through SL10 are all single 
carrier, at 1800 baud.  SL9 and SL10 are 16-QAM and 32-QAM, thus 1800*4 (7200) 
and 1800*5 (9000) bits/second raw data rate.  See

http://www.medav.de/fileadmin/redaktion/documents/English/vd_PACTOR_demodulator.pdf

So, the ITU emission mode of Pactor-4 actually changes as you switch SL levels. 
 But the bandwidth of Pactor-4 does not change to same the degree as the 
bandwidth change for Pactor-3 (from 500 Hz to 2200 Hz).

Further, notice that SL2 through SL4 have a spreading factor, so the 1800 baud 
actually produces lower than 1800 bits/second raw data (bit) rate.

It is going to be interesting to see if Pactor-4 SL2, 3, and 4 can be legal on ham bands 
since they involve some sort of spreading.  DQPSK is often implemented with a direct 
sequence spreader.  If/when they reveal the details (to work around "unspecified 
codes") we will know if these SL levels are mathematically equivalent to direct 
sequence spread spectrum.

Lawyers, start your billable hours clocks :-).

73
Chen, W7AY


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